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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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1/19/06 7:32am
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i think too much time has been focused on the actual discussion within threads of each forum, which has its place, yes, but ultimately it comes down to the thread topics that belong in each forum.
how about these topics? i think people may be of the opinion that none, or a lot of these topics don't belong in the JCC but i would disagree entirely.
evolution, what do you think of it?
stem cell research
genetic engineering
pro life or pro choice?
so my friend just has an abortion
usa pulls its troops out of iraq
i read this paper by a professor about god...
... to me, all these topics can work in both the JCC and the Senate because they are broad enough to encourage serious discussion for 20-30 users in the JCC or 5-6 in the Senate, in their own respective ways. given that we allow serious discussion, i think if someone wants to talk about stem cell research or abortion in the JCC they should be allowed to without the thread being closed and redirected to a Senate thread.
a redirection link can still occur, sure, but i see no justification for it to be closed -- unless things become too heated or if flaming occurs,etc -- and even then, it should only be closed temporarily.
if, within the thread, there is a distinct divergence from the overall topic into something more refined, if the divergence is basically taking over the discussion for the benefit of a few who are really interested in the refined topic, then this then should also be redirected and the users should be told to stop the segway discussion.
HOWEVER if this divergence is a natural progression, and everyone is still actively involved (ie there is no monopolisation by a couple of individuals) then the discussion should be allowed to continue. this can occur with, say, a religion thread, where, at different times, different lines of discusson will start up and finish at various times. with very broad topics like that, it is natural, and perfectly fine.
the JCC discussion will be different to the Senate as there will be more people, generally. this means the manner in which people post will be different. one can offer the possibility of the Senate link, so those interested, who want to continue in a more refined manner, who want to flesh out their posts on a particular topic, etc, can follow. but don't close the thread entirely and rob the other users of the chance to discuss some of these issues, given the basic agreement we've so far reached that these users won't be forced into going to another forum anyway.
the only topics i can think of that do not belong in the JCC are topics that already are far too refined for the general populace and would only be suitable for a couple of users. none of the topics listed above fit into that category, however.
for me: 12th century neo-classical architecture by the chinese, Senate. my boyfriend broke up with me, JCC. a discussion about religion being a divisive force for humanity, both.
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MariahJSkywalker
Title: Manager Emeritus
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1/19/06 6:45pm
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I think there are some topics that are best left for the Senate, like evolution or stem cell's for example. I think a thread like "My friend is having an abortion" is fine JCC topic as not only it can discuss abortion but also how the friend can react to the situation. Now for threads that happen to suddenly turn religious or political I think maybe it would best to just let it continue instead of locking and redirecting.
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HawkNC
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1/19/06 6:49pm
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We have a thriving thread on evolution in the Senate, so a JCC one would have to offer something markedly different in content to not be redundant. I'm not opposed to having a thread in each forum on similar topics, but evolution specifically has a tendency to de-evolve (lol) into a mudslinging debate similar to the one already going on in Senate, with a lot of the same people usually. A lot of the others are about personal issues or poll-style topics, which are better suited for JCC.
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Ender_Sai
Title: Manager Emeritus
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1/19/06 10:12pm
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Just to expand on this idea; someone came up with the idea of moving a thread between the two, on an X-amount-of-time basis. Where do we stand on this? 'Coz it strikes me that if we're saying both forums could handle discussions on these topics, well why not let both of them handle it. I mean, if the week it's in the Senate prompts a few YJCCs to follow it in there, the Senate benefits from it. If some Senate regulars feel the need to chase it back to YJCC when it goes there for that week, then YJCC gets a fresh perspective too...
Sorry to hijack your thread, epic, but I'm an utter ******* and that's what we do.
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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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Date Posted:
1/20/06 6:39am
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MariahJSkywalker posted:
I think there are some topics that are best left for the Senate, like evolution or stem cell's for example.
you don't think the jcc populace could handle a discussion on something like stem cell research? if they can handle a discussion on atheism or political stuff or any other serious discussion, i don't see why they couldn't handle this.
the problem with keeping such discussions ONLY in the Senate is that it means ONLY the Senate regulars, or those who choose to post in there, get to discuss it. i believe jccers who don't wish to post in the Senate, for whatever reason, should still be given their own opportunity to post about said topics in their own manner.
HawkNC posted:
We have a thriving thread on evolution in the Senate, so a JCC one would have to offer something markedly different in content to not be redundant.
but we have multiple threads already in both the Senate and the JCC, the Ampth and JCC, etc. redundancy is not a reason to disallow a possible evolution thread in the JCC. there is an atheism thread, for example, as we all know, in both forums.
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I'm not opposed to having a thread in each forum on similar topics, but evolution specifically has a tendency to de-evolve (lol) into a mudslinging debate similar to the one already going on in Senate, with a lot of the same people usually.
i don't think we should dissallow a particular topic in the JCC just in case it might turn into a flame war -- one should do as KW has done in the past; warn the individuals, close the thread temporarily to let people cool off, then re-open. if people continue to break the TOS, then you punish the individuals involved, not the entire community by leaving a thread topic closed.
i'm not sure how many people would post in both topics of both forums -- i know with the Athiesm threads there is a different representation of posters in each particular thread. i don't really see how much less emotionally charged athiesm is than evolution, either.
Ender_Sai posted:
someone came up with the idea of moving a thread between the two, on an X-amount-of-time basis. Where do we stand on this? 'Coz it strikes me that if we're saying both forums could handle discussions on these topics, well why not let both of them handle it. I mean, if the week it's in the Senate prompts a few YJCCs to follow it in there, the Senate benefits from it. If some Senate regulars feel the need to chase it back to YJCC when it goes there for that week, then YJCC gets a fresh perspective too...
i think the idea is okay, although perhaps slightly too obvious in its attempts at bridging this supposed Senate-JCC divide. i'm not necessarily anti the idea, though.
Ender_Sai posted:
Sorry to hijack your thread, epic, but I'm an utter ******* and that's what we do.
o, i can empathise!
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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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Date Posted:
1/25/06 9:04am
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so there is no opposition to the jcc housing topics such as aborton, stem cell reseach, evolution? housed in their... jcc manner, as long as the don't become monopolised by two or three posters who try and turn it into a Senate thread?
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LostOnHoth
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1/29/06 6:28pm
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It's stupid having all of these threads when they all inevitably overlap.
I think ther answer to that question can be found here:
http://boards.theforce.net/jccsenate_focus_group/b10747/22849918/p2/?59
Not sure whether there was any real consensus though.
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Mr44
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Date Posted:
1/30/06 6:53am
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so there is no opposition to the jcc housing topics such as aborton, stem cell reseach, evolution? housed in their... jcc manner, as long as the don't become monopolised by two or three posters who try and turn it into a Senate thread?
That's not what defines a Senate thread though, and it's a poor indicator of Senate vs JCC-ness.
Mariah's first post in this thread echos my sentiments as well.
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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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Date Posted:
1/31/06 5:57am
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but by saying the jcc is allowed religious or political but not something science-related like stem cell research... by what rationale is this divide created? maybe someone wants to talk about stem cell because they have a family member who is suffering from a disease that would benefit from it...
it may seem silly to allow a lot of overlap but you have to look at realisticly and think -- how often will this overlap actually occur? it's more setting up the rules in case such overlap does occur.
Mr44, i was being brief, but i see no reason why a stem cell thread, to continue the example, can't work in both forums. one will be more in-depth, detailed, etc, than the other -- possibly -- but i think both populaces should be given the chance to discuss something like this.
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Mr44
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Date Posted:
1/31/06 8:29pm
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but i think both populaces should be given the chance to discuss something like this.
It's the same populace.
This seems to represent the main point where we differ. Instead of thinking, "it's our JCC, we don't want to go anywhere else," what's wrong with the idea that we're a single group under the TF.N umbrella?
Out of all the concepts presented here, I just think "The JCC regulars don't like to go anywhere else" is the weakest one.
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KnightWriter
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Date Posted:
1/31/06 8:37pm
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"The JCC regulars don't like to go anywhere else" is the weakest one.
But it's still very true more often than not (with pointed and clear exceptions). It's not set in stone, but neither it is something that can be avoided as a current truth.
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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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Date Posted:
2/1/06 6:47am
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we are all the same posters under the TFN umbrella, but it is willingly avoiding facing the facts to suggest there are not (largely) two different populaces between the Senate and the JCC -- just as there are different populaces between the Prequels forums and the JCC, or the Literature forum and Ampth... it's a given. we can come up ways to lure people into the Senate but so far all I have heard is a thread that goes between the two forums -- a nice idea but honestly i am doubtful as to how much effect it will have.
i get the impression (perhaps I am wrong) that the Senate mods are simply not happy with the current level of activity and from that, their current populace? i said this about a month ago in comms, but why this sudden disillusionment? the Senate is what it is because it's got a smaller populace, who like to discuss things in more detail or discuss particular topics in general, because you post a thread and it's not 3 pages back within a day.
i do not see any credence to the thought that by limiting thread subject material in the jcc it will thus increase activity and attract users to the Senate.
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TheBoogieMan
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Date Posted:
2/2/06 2:14am
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The JCC and the Senate, for the most part, have very different populaces. There are very few users who visit both places on a regular basis. It's nothing to do with the principle (which, by the way, Mr 44, I wholeheartedly agree with) but rather a practical truth.
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Mr44
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Date Posted:
2/2/06 10:18am
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i get the impression (perhaps I am wrong) that the Senate mods are simply not happy with the current level of activity and from that, their current populace?
That's because you are wrong.
The Senate mods became unhappy when it looked like there was an artifical erosion between the forums. That's why this dialog was opened in the first place. Perhaps a final resolution won't ever be decided on, but I think a level of understanding has been reached.
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epic
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Date Posted:
2/3/06 9:12am
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artifical erosion?
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