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Jediknight_Wendy Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/27/05 12:46am Subject: Can a robot some how use the force?
	I need help to once and for all end a on going argument with me and one of my player has been having for some time now. you see the the short version of the story the player is playing an advanced robot (( it's very similar to a T-800 off terminator...)) that being said the group went and destroyed a sith lord standard boring plot right?...well the robot player went and added a twist he went and took some of his blood and started to harvest and cloning the sith lords cell's eventually what this led too was was him grafting the tissues over the endo skeleton ala taking on the basic form of the prior sith lord...however the argument lie's in the fact that since the sith lord's cell's where used and he was force sensitive that he could be as well..i quickly debunked the idea as it's a machine under all of it and isn't part of it from the quote by obi wan '' It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together'' however the player is adement that he can indeed use the force...so im here to put it to rest for once in for all so please do enlighten me on this one please -----signature----- It will be a hard life.One without reward,without remorse,without regret. A path will be placed before you.The choice is yours alone.Do What you think you cannot do it will be a hard life but you will find out Who you are -Qui-gon jinn
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Jedi_Matt Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/27/05 2:04am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	if he's a cyborg rather than a robot, then yeah possibly, but there'd be some huge penalties, as he would be mainly artificial limbs, so i'd use the ruling for those to determine his penalties, but with a non-living brain i don't think he'd be able to because it's effectively a droid brain that he's got. If he was like grievous (ie; started off living and became part robot, rather than the other way round), then it'd be possible, but with penalties. -----signature----- Excellence - "'Cause some American-accent informed me Kun is Koon and Yun is Yoon doesn't mean I'm going to Megazord myself into robotic obediance."
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sithreaper Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 7/27/05 2:17am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	look for something on the Iron Knights
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Koohii Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/27/05 9:10am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	Not in my system of rules, no. Robots, androids and droids are not force sensative. I would also argue, that since the brain of the character is mechanical, it cannot be force sensative either. Now, a living creature with heavy cyborging/bionic refit can still be Force Sensative, because it started out orgainic. The Terminator machines are just that: machines. They have an organic skin grafted over the top (no explanation as to what keeps this skin alive & healthy--is it a synthetic? or is it slowly decaying? Or is there some system that keeps it supplied with nutrients? Good luck -----signature----- Create happy mediums: Free prozac to all psychics & Jedi I'm met 6yo adults and 36yo children Still working toward Ni-Kyu Go Ju Ryu
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Reinn Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/27/05 10:52am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	I totally agree with Koohii. Just because the Force is present in the cells of a mechanical sentient, it doesn't mean the robot is capable of even sensing it. The Force is noticed and manipulated in a way that no one has really been able to define. If they can't even define it, they sure as hell can't artificially create it. If, at a stretch, a robot were to live SO long that it were able to finally understand the true nuance of what it meant to be alive, then maybe, just maybe it might be able to sense and manipulate the Force. But that's stretching credibility to the breaking point.
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Jediknight_Wendy Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 7/27/05 1:31pm Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force? - Date Edited: 7/27/05 1:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jediknight_Wendy
	This was what im agreeing with a machine cannot control the force and i agree that even with the sith lord's cell's and tissues he cannot sense nor control the force..as it's a machine..the tissue dosnet die as it's living..it's kept alive the same way all tissue is alive and thus the machine now has to perform all the other things it hated about human before..eating..drinking ect ect...but that's just to keep the tissue alive and that dosent mean that the machine is alive ..it may be senteint but it's truthfully not biological i veiw the tissue and such as a wolf in sheeps skin ploy my self it dosent have a bioloigical brain so i couldent interact with the force on any level like a biological character could -----signature----- It will be a hard life.One without reward,without remorse,without regret. A path will be placed before you.The choice is yours alone.Do What you think you cannot do it will be a hard life but you will find out Who you are -Qui-gon jinn
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Darth_Laudrup Title: Host: PT Trivia Challenge Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 8/1/05 10:19am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	NO Robots are mechanical and not alive. The Force Sorounds and penetrates all living things... not droids. -----signature----- I love Ellen Page: 5' 1" / 1.55 m tall and very very sexy.
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Aragorn327 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/1/05 11:26am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	The closest thing I could see a robot becoming force sensitive is this: Clone a force sensitive. Memories are all chemically controlled...if it could find some way to copy his personality/memory drives and then have them converted into a chemically based system, he might be able to imprint "itself" into the clone's brain. The droid would still exist...but the clone would have a copy of the droid in its head. The droid itself could never become FS, though. If a player tried to do this, I'd make the clone an NPC, have it think it was the "real" version of the droid, and try kill the player. The player would never be able to use the NPC, and would have to reroll, if he didn't win the fight against his organic duplicate. -----signature----- "Question not the ways of the script, there's always a bigger fish" Wyrd bið ful aræd.
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Reinn Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/1/05 1:36pm Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	That leads to the very concept of a soul and how it plays out in the Star Wars universe. Does a droid with all the memories of a Jedi and none of its own become a Jedi? No. At best it would be able to mildly train a Jedi similar to Ulic Qel-Droma did after he lost his connection to the Force. While we're at it, I'd say a clone with the memories of a Jedi can't use the Force either. The Force is as much in the body as the mind. And when neither of them have actually been trained, there isn't enough of it there to use.
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 8/1/05 2:00pm Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	Reinn posted: That leads to the very concept of a soul and how it plays out in the Star Wars universe. Does a droid with all the memories of a Jedi and none of its own become a Jedi? No. At best it would be able to mildly train a Jedi similar to Ulic Qel-Droma did after he lost his connection to the Force. While we're at it, I'd say a clone with the memories of a Jedi can't use the Force either. The Force is as much in the body as the mind. And when neither of them have actually been trained, there isn't enough of it there to use. We've already established the former: the answer (in Nichos Marr) is no. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Aragorn327 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 8/1/05 2:06pm Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	While we're at it, I'd say a clone with the memories of a Jedi can't use the Force either. The Force is as much in the body as the mind. And when neither of them have actually been trained, there isn't enough of it there to use. I'd considered that. The main thing that made me type my idea was Luuke. Cloned from Skywalker's hand, he was force sensitive, and then trained by C'baoth. He didn't have Luke's memories...but if I droid implanted its memories into an organic force sensitive clone, he wouldn't maintain the Jedi/Sith/Force Adept's memories or control over the Force. The clone would have the ability to grow in the Force on its own, however, like Luuke did. If it were a force user's memories planted into a force sensitive body however, which is basically what was done with C'baoth himself, he leaves a precident for that working as well. -----signature----- "Question not the ways of the script, there's always a bigger fish" Wyrd bið ful aræd.
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fryda_swaid Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/30/05 3:26am Subject: RE: Can a robot some how use the force?
	[quote=Reinn]I totally agree with Koohii. Just because the Force is present in the cells of a mechanical sentient, it doesn't mean the robot is capable of even sensing it. The Force is noticed and manipulated in a way that no one has really been able to define. If they can't even define it, they sure as hell can't artificially create it.[quote] Remeber that not even all organics, who are fundamentally connected to the Force are sensative to it. Even a Jedi has to be taught to sense the Force, clones as well.
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