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Koohii
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I remember being pretty annoyed when I saw the movie and it seemed like the non-human jedi got cut down without a chance to do anything. From a practical standpoint, I can understand that choreographing a 3-1 fight might be difficult, even without the make-up, masks, etc, and it probablly wasn't worth the effort to CGI the thing, but it made these "Jedi Masters" seem pretty lame to me.
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Ender_Sai
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I have to say, I'm hoping the description of Force Grip as not-Dark Side was a mistake and will be errata'd. Otherwise, that's ridiculous and a great way to cheapen the Dark Side - the Jedi Academy/KOTOR Munchkin way. Yes, I use Dark Side powers with hasty abandonment but I'm liek a good guy because my mom said so!
Grip specifically says it is about choking the life out of someone. Yoda says the Force is used for knowledge and defence, never for attack. Draw your own conclusions, I say!
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sithreaper
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TaintedJedi posted:
sithreaper posted:
Kit Fisto was terrified before he locked horns with Palpatine
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing...? Wikipedia says the novelization has Anakin find Fisto's corpse decapitated by Sidious' work, but makes no mention of Kit quaking in his boots...
-TJ
It’s in the ROTS Novel. Fisto comes across as been terrified on route to Palpatines office. He tells Tinn that he would feel better if Obi Wan or Yoda where there, were upon Mace shuts him up with a sharp “We will suffice”.
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Jedi Merkurian
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Corporate_Jedi posted:
Two options for a campaign could be that either you give him no levels in JM, just Jedi Knight...
Based on some musings by Gary & Rodney on some of the WotC threads, that's pretty spot-on. As they've said, you can be a considered a Jedi Knight or Jedi Master by the Order without necessarily taking levels in either of those prestige classes.
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Moridin
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Ender_Sai posted:
I have to say, I'm hoping the description of Force Grip as not-Dark Side was a mistake and will be errata'd. Otherwise, that's ridiculous and a great way to cheapen the Dark Side - the Jedi Academy/KOTOR Munchkin way. Yes, I use Dark Side powers with hasty abandonment but I'm liek a good guy because my mom said so!
Grip specifically says it is about choking the life out of someone. Yoda says the Force is used for knowledge and defence, never for attack. Draw your own conclusions, I say!
E_S
It's specifically not dark side because you could use it on droids, inanimate objects, etc. without it being a dark side act. If, however, you use it to choke the life out of someone, well, I'd say if your dark side score doesn't go up then your GM isn't doing his job!
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Droids are the victims of religious discrimination.
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The force grip is also not dark side when used simply to disable someone, ala Luke and the Gamorean guards. Same with other powers like when Yoda force pushed the guards into the wall. Dark Side points come from the intent, not the act.
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Jedi_Rhysode
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I don't know how well the force training feat method sits with me. It doesnt seem right that someone would have to take a feat in order to learn things like going into a dark rage and force grip. They seem like things any Jedi that's feeling worked up enough can do untrained. Also, why isn't force training a jedi bonus feat. And whatever happened to the dark side bonus when using a Force point?(nix that. just read the power of the dark side talent) The dark side got off easy in this new edition in terms of the penalties for going dark, if you ask me.
EDIT: Also, maybe I need to play it before I can really know, it seems like there's not enough talents to go around. You only get one every other level and for a Jedi, for example, the first few will likely go wasted on things like deflect and redirect and other very basic jedi abilities. Put on top of that the fact that you need to spent feats to learn force powers, and it doesnt look very likely that a Jedi will find the time to specialize much
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Koohii
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This is why I like the WEG rules:
Disarm someone, lift a droid, etc: Telekenisis. No DSP
Choak someone to death, injure someone, break a droid, etc: TK Injure/Kill. Automatic DSP.
Did luke get DSP for choaking the Gamoreans in Jabba's fortress? YEP! But those 2 DSP came in handy with the +2D to all Force Powers when facing Vader & the Emperor.
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Ender_Sai
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Moridin posted:
It's specifically not dark side because you could use it on droids, inanimate objects, etc. without it being a dark side act. If, however, you use it to choke the life out of someone, well, I'd say if your dark side score doesn't go up then your GM isn't doing his job!
Thanks for answering Moridin.
The thing is, though, you guys worded it to say "You use the Force to choke or crush your enemies".
Enemy implies sentience, and for my part - and you can blame my "Generation WEG" thinking here - you would be as justified using Force Lightning on a Droid as you would using Grip. 
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Pawnnolonger posted:
The force grip is also not dark side when used simply to disable someone, ala Luke and the Gamorean guards. Same with other powers like when Yoda force pushed the guards into the wall. Dark Side points come from the intent, not the act.
Yay for post-WEG, post-prequels relativism! Woo-hoo!
The ends do not, and never will, justify the means for a Jedi. That's Sith thinking.
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Jedi_Rhysode posted:
EDIT: Also, maybe I need to play it before I can really know, it seems like there's not enough talents to go around. You only get one every other level and for a Jedi, for example, the first few will likely go wasted on things like deflect and redirect and other very basic jedi abilities. Put on top of that the fact that you need to spent feats to learn force powers, and it doesnt look very likely that a Jedi will find the time to specialize much
Direct etc became redundant with the heroic approach to characters - reflexive defence is often high enough on Jedi that you don't need deflect.
Also, reading the Talent trees, I'm getting the impression it's not like mine or dp's World of Warcraft build where I'm classed as Holy because I have 2/3rds of my talent points in that discipline. If I look at the Consular talent tree - I'd take Adept and Master Negotiator and then maybe branch off into a Sentinel or Force talent tree. By my 8th level I would be Jedi 7/Jedi Knight 1 and my talents would change until Jedi Master. Yes, I could max out all my Consular talents but my character wouldn't be as well rounded. The point of talents is not to start at one tree and completely absorb it, it's to define a character.
Someone already pointed this out, and I'm so building a villain like this - max persuasion, skill focus (persuasion), 18 CHA, Adept/Master Negotiator and Force Persuade. Bugger lightning and lightsaber monkeyism, I'm crushing your will underfoot!
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Is the autofire overpowered? For some reason, anything that deals damage no matter what sounds like trouble to me. I can see myself stocking up on power packs and going to town. And where's the size modifier table? The index is general to the point of being unhelpful.
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Page 166 covers sizes from Huge to Collossal; I can't remember where Large to Diminutive is located.
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Pawnnolonger posted:
The force grip is also not dark side when used simply to disable someone, ala Luke and the Gamorean guards. Same with other powers like when Yoda force pushed the guards into the wall. Dark Side points come from the intent, not the act.
just to expand on what ender sai said, Luke got a Dark Side Point for that, he was going around cocksure of himself, on a sure thing to become just like his father. That was the point of the black outfit too, to demonstrate how close he was to falling.
You could also use Force Grip to artifically pump someone's heart if they needed it restarting.
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