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Blithe
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Date Posted:
8/2/06 5:10pm
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RE: The Man of Steel
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MasterKazur posted:
Blithe posted:
Since I'm worried somebody might get agitated if we bring up DBZ too much (  ), I'll be brief, but there's actually evidence in the manga that points to DBZ characters not even being able to travel at the speed of light until they're upwards of SSJ3; however, the creator, Akira Toriyama, did say they were upwards of lightspeed toward the end.
As for strength, the Saiyans can probably keep up with Superman as early as SSJ2, if not earlier, but he's got them beat on speed, and the fact he can survive in space. Only Goku would have a chance, and even then, it's only because he has the advantage of his teleport, which is what he'd need to probably keep up with Superman because it's instant, unless of course, you consider SSJ4.
Certain fusions, I'd imagine, could stand a reasonable chance.
SSJ-powered Ki waves would certainly be able to damage Superman, though. But they'd first need to acutally HIT him. 
Hence why only Goku with teleport could possibly have a chance at landing and energy blast outside of the fusions.
I wholeheartedly agree 
Granted my knowledge of DBZ isn't as wide and my knowledge of Star Wars and Superman.
I reckon Goku would be more of a match for Superman than Thor would. He may even beat the Man of Steel once or twice... But for obvious reasons, I think Superman is more powerful all around.
Oh, yeah, if you consider villains in the mix, one of the stronger forms of Majin Buu, like Buu with Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo absorbed would do better than even Goku, since Buu can learn moves just by seeing it once and can survive in space, regenerate, as well as being able to teleport without having to sense Ki, and use magic, which Supes is vunerable to and just being, overall, around 3-4 times as powerful as Goku.
But if you did that, we'd need to bring in Doomsday, so it's probably not for the best.
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/3/06 6:37am
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RE: The Man of Steel
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You're right about that Blithe 
You don't wanna mess with Doomsday!
As far as Superman vs DBZ:
DBZ is a totally different style than DC... You can't really compare the two I think.
But I see your point.
Viewed from the outside Goku and the others seem more powerful, because DBZ is just so "out-there" that their powers need to be that too.
But Superman always finds a way!
Even against stronger and more powerful opponenets (like Doomsday)
Long live the Man of Steel!
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Koohii
Title: Games: RPG d6 GM
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Date Posted:
8/12/06 1:24pm
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RE: The Man of Steel
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Here's a question:
The old superman's hair had a lock that sort of curled down right in the middle of his forehead. It was almost as much a trademark of his look as the big S on his chest.
The only time I get anything like that is when I don't blow-dry my hair, but rather let it dripdry.
So, did superman not use a blow-dryer? OK, way back when, maybe not. But what about when he's flying at those super-heroic speeds. Wouldn't that dry his hair? If so, then he wouldn't have the curl.
???
OK, I have WAYYYY too much time on my hands...
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/15/06 3:45pm
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He's got Super-HAIR too...
It does whatever he wants it to
Clark never has a bad hair-day.
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NJOfan215
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8/15/06 5:27pm
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kazur, you've enpired me, i'm working on some wolverine stats.
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/16/06 8:55am
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Nice!
Can't wait to see them... You can post 'em here.
This could be the official non-Star Wars character stats... thread... page. Whatever!
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NJOfan215
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Date Posted:
8/17/06 7:20pm
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cool i'm having a little stumbling block figuring out exactly what classes and levels he should have. He's such a diverse character. I think i'm going to end up tweaking some of them in order to get the right fit.
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NJOfan215
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Date Posted:
8/22/06 9:19pm
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Wolverine: Male Human Mutant Soldier 10/ Scoundrel 2/Nobel 3/ elite trooper 5; Init +3 (Dex); Defense 26 (+11 class, +3 Dex, +2 Defensive Martial Arts); DR 8; Spd 10 m; VP/WP 336/30; Atk +27/+22/+17/+12 melee (1d6+3d4+12/18-20, Claws), +26/+26/+21/+21/+16 melee (1d6+3d4+12/18-20, Claws), or +22/+17/+12/+7 ranged (2d6/20, Glock) or +22/+17/+12/+7 ranged (2d8/20, HK MP5) or +21/+16/+11/+6 ranged (2d10/20, M60); SQ fame, favor +2, Illicit barter, Inspire confidence, lucky (1/day), resource access, super powers, uncanny dodge (dex) SV Fort +22, Ref +17, Will +15; SZ M; FP 2; DSP 10; Rep +9; Str 24, Dex 16, Con 30, Int 15, Wis 16, Cha 12.
Equipment: Leather Costume, M-60, HK MP5 (+1), Glock 17 (+1)
Skills: Balance +19, Bluff +9, Climb +15, Computer Use +15, Craft (Fire Arms) + 10, Demolitions +18, Disable Device +18, Disguise +17, Gather Information +16, Hide +13, Intimidate +21, Jump +23, Knowledge (Tactics) +10, Knowledge (Streetwise) +10, Knowledge (Mutants) +8, Knowledge (bureaucracy) + 6, Knowledge (Japan) +10, Listen +21, Move Silently +19, Read/Write English, Japanese, Russian, Repair +18, Search +19, Sense Motive +19, Spot +26, Survival +15, Treat Injury +5, Tumble +18, Speak English, Japanese, Russian.
Feats: Advanced Martial Arts, Ambidexterity, Armor Proficiency (light, medium, heavy, powered), Combat Experience, Combat Reflexes, Defensive Martial Arts, Dodge, Improved Martial Arts, Head Strong Improved Two-Weapon fighting, Martial Artist, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (claws), Weapon Group Proficiency (blaster pistols, blaster rifles, heavy weapons, simple weapons, vibroweapons), Weapon Specialization (claws).
Super Powers: Alerness, Claws (+3), Endurance, Healing Factor, Lightning Reflexes, Low-Light Vision, Rage, Scent, Skeletal Reinforcement (+3), Ultra-Immune System.
Claws – Wolverine’s claws are attached, which grants him a +1 bonus to his attack roles and allows him to stack unarmed damage with them. They do 1d6+3 damage, and are considered master craft items.
Healing Factor – Once per day per level, Wolverine can heal himself of a number of points of damage up to twice his constitution modifier.
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/24/06 8:31am
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Hmm... You might wanna consider cutting about half of his levels away.
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NJOfan215
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Date Posted:
8/24/06 10:05am
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No way, he's over 200 years old. The guys been around. He was a soldier in world war two, a spy, a shield agent, and x-men, an avenger, and just plane wolverine.
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Koohii
Title: Games: RPG d6 GM
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Date Posted:
8/24/06 11:01am
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As always, it depends what version of the character you're looking at. Is it the Movie version, or one of the many comic versions. Unfortunately, Marvel likes to rewrite it's history every 5 years or so, which makes it very difficult to have anything like consistancy or stability. They also have an ever-changing pool of writers, not just one who takes over from another, who takes over from another.
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Yeah this is defintiely a comic book version, not the movie wolverine. It was really difficult trying to find a way to represent him. I consult the mravel.com wiki, and the marvel database wiki as well as thinking about and rereading some of the wolverine comics i've read. This version of wolverine is basicaly based off of wolverine origins, the current volume of wolverine's monthly book, morrisons run on new x-men, astonishing x-men, milligen run on x-men, and new avengers. Wolverine is obviously a soldier. His levels of nobel come from 3 different factors, one he does inspire confidence in some of the younger x men, he does have access to resources, and we've seen him call in a favor before. His level of scoundral comes from rucka's run on his monthly sereis, where we see wolverine investigating things and making an illicit barter with a weapons dealer.
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/25/06 10:33am
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Never the less, level 20 is waaaaaaayyy to much.
Thats Yoda and Palpatine level.
Wolverine, over 200 years old or not, is about a level 10-11 en terms of skill and battle prowess.
Keep in mind that he doesn't even remember that much from his past. So the stuff he has learned is pretty much useless to him. Useless maybe a strong word but
all in all Wolverine has the experience of a 35 yr. old man (approx) with flashes of lost wisdom and stuff popping up here and there when he remembers something from his past.
He is at most a level 12.
That would also be balanced within the game.
Making Wolverine a level 20 is like saying that he is among the top 10 most powerful beings in the galaxy... ever! 
Thats just not true.
I will make my own Wolverine later. We can compare notes
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NJOfan215
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Date Posted:
8/25/06 10:44am
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You have not been reading the current comics, wolverine has all of his memories back, thanks to the scarlet witch. If it weren't for that, i can defintely see him being like level 12 or so, but he's been pretty much consistantly fighting for 60 years of his life. The first 140 years is still pretty thinly covered, but i'm still going to disagree with you here. Based on the 60 years of fighting experiance he has, he is just as experianced as mace windu, who is level 19.I do tend to make high powered NPC's but in a lot of cases, especialy this one, i did base it on solid research. That being said, we are both entitled to our own versions of him.
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MasterKazur
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Date Posted:
8/25/06 5:08pm
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He is probably as experienced, but that doesn't mean that he is as good.
Age is really only a small factor in the total XP of a character
And Wolverine hasn't really been fighting constantly all his life, like Anakin post Episode I has. A lot of his past has been spent living in the wild, hiding out ect.
Granted he was trained a samurai and a CIA agent, but thats all really backstory.
I mean Luke was a moisture farmer for 18 years, but he only has 2 levels at that point.
Wolverine, likely, didn't even start to really pick up levels (in game terms) untill after he fought the Hulk and later joined the X-Men. In essence became a "Hero".
Buttom line is that Wolverine just plain and simple isn't a level 20
I'm sorry, but you can't seriously belive that.
Anyway, I'll post my Wolvie stats soon.
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