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Charlemagne19
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8/4/07 4:53am
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Hey guys,
I want to do the New Jedi Order invasion by the Yuuzhan Vong but I'm interested in doing in a slightly different manner than canon. More or less, I want to accomplish the following things....
1. Establish that the New Republic is not the biggest group of morons that have ever stepped foot into the universe. As soon as they begin destroying worlds, the New Republic is no longer interested in doing much business with them. Collaborators are along the lines of Vichi France in that they are loathed and hated creatures.
2. The ridiculous levels of causalties are reduced. The Yuuzhan Vong are a thoroughly ruthless and hateful race. However, their war with the galaxy is not one that renders the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War pointless. Causalties by the end of the conflict will be roughly even to these two. Some worlds destroyed, a lot of military causalties, and a whole lot of brutality.
3. Force Powers still work AGAINST the Yuuzhan Vong even if I like the idea they're Force Blind except for Omni and the Slayers.
4. Ways of reducing the silliness of Vong technology. It should be somewhat halfway between Stargate SG-1 and the Covenant.
I'm open for other suggestions but I'm interested in conveying these elements and how to properly express them for the game.
Also, what to change from the 'canon' history.
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Darth_Laudrup
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I've never understood why the Vong were introduced in the first place. Next to a resurrected and cloned Palpatine they seem like the worst and lamest idea ever introduced in the Star Wars EU.
I salute anyone who wants to change that part of Star Wars, even the slightest.  
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Koohii
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8/4/07 10:39am
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Throw out anything written by Kevin J Anderson.
That should be a good starting point.
Then anything written by Jetter (I think that's how you spell his name).
In fact, there are very few novels that are actually worth reading.
Most of Zahn (though Visions of the Future was horrible, because he had to include the excrement written by Anderson), Stackpole, Daley, and Hambly are worth while. There are a couple others (the Wraith Squadron books).
I had to give up on SW novels, because most of them were garbage, and I wasn't interested in separating the wheat from the chaff.
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Charlemagne19
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Koohii posted:
Throw out anything written by Kevin J Anderson.
That should be a good starting point.
Then anything written by Jetter (I think that's how you spell his name).
In fact, there are very few novels that are actually worth reading.
Most of Zahn (though Visions of the Future was horrible, because he had to include the excrement written by Anderson), Stackpole, Daley, and Hambly are worth while. There are a couple others (the Wraith Squadron books).
I had to give up on SW novels, because most of them were garbage, and I wasn't interested in separating the wheat from the chaff.
1. Kevin J Anderson wrote for the NJO?
2. What?
3. I'm not interested in rewriting any of the Bantam era (The Dark Forces Saga shows even Hethrir can be cool)
4. Is there anything about the NJO here?
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Koohii
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I have no idea who wrote for NJO.
Seeing as how he wrote for other eras, however, it seemed a safe be that Anderson had found some way to infect NJO.
If I'm mistaken, my apologies.
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Charlemagne19
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No, he was busy infecting Frank Herbert's Dune.
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Yuul_Shamar
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hmmm...
I liked a few of the NJO books, but there were a lot of crappy ones mixed in their too.
And i also didn't care at all for the swarm war/ dark nests trilogy
I do like the Legacy series so far though
Of course in my NJO campaigns I never use the vong invasion, it just never happens in my games as i have far better ideas then that. not mention my njo games include two Incredibly Advanced "Elder Races".
I can give you stats on at least one of them including a history, but the other all i could give u his a hastily typed summary as i havent gotten around to writing them up yet.
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Charlemagne19
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My current ideas for revising the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion are as followed.
1. The Yuuzhan Vong have been at war with the Chiss Ascendency for millenium by this point. They're the threat that Grand Admiral Thrawn warned the galaxy about and I'm thinking that they might have also been the threat that Darth Revan was warning the galaxy about that he felt the Republic had to ready themselves for. They're well established in the Unknown Regions right now and have several thousand worlds underneath their dominion that the control.
2. The Yuuzhan Vong aren't from another galaxy but Otherspace. Specifically, they're building massive stargates to enter this universe from their dimension. Thus, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion is limited primarily by how many of their kind they bring over as opposed to the numbers of actual forces that they can field on the levels of battle.
3. The Average Yuuzhan Vong Warrior is roughly equivalent to a Stormtrooper in skill and his armor is about as protective as that. However, "Elite" Yuuzhan Vong Warriors exist that are much more dangerous.
4. I'm debating whether or not to actually remove the Yuuzhan Vong "force blind" qualities and instead have them actually worship the Dark Side of the Force with their Priestly class including many Force Adepts.
5. The Yuuzhan Vong are still a theocracy but pretty much leave most of the worlds alone that submit to their rule and worship their gods. They're here on a war of conversion and conquest as opposed to one of wholesale technological destruction.
6. The Yuuzhan Vong Shamed Ones are their title for anyone whom is not actually part of their elite caste. Its composed primarily of those who refuse to have their bodies altered through bio-science to become Yuuzhan Vong.
I'm still developing other ideas.
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Jedi_Matt
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i would question the force blindness being removed because it was that which screwed the Jedi so badly. I mean Anakin solo will happily plow through squad after squad of stormtrooper level enemies. But with the Force blindness, it makes it more difficult, and the Jedi would be able to sense an arrival, especially if they worship the dark side and don't seem to be bothered about hiding their presence, which is why the sith could hide.
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Charlemagne19
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Jedi_Matt posted:
i would question the force blindness being removed because it was that which screwed the Jedi so badly. I mean Anakin solo will happily plow through squad after squad of stormtrooper level enemies. But with the Force blindness, it makes it more difficult, and the Jedi would be able to sense an arrival, especially if they worship the dark side and don't seem to be bothered about hiding their presence, which is why the sith could hide.
Well that actually strikes me as a very good thing. Why not have the Jedi mow through Vong after Vong? It'll be like the Clone Wars where the Jedi can tear through the enemy but it's just there's A LOT of them.
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Yuul_Shamar
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The unknown regions eh?
In one my games this would lead them into the middle of a war between the Hagan Star Cluster and the Trolian Empire... WOW what a three way fight that would be, one side using Advanced Energy weapons, another solid matter projectile(advanced ones of course) and the vong using Bioweapons..... 
I like the idea about them coming from another dimension rather then a different galaxy, meaning that they likely cant just send all their guys in at once which sort of semi-levels the playing field.
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Well the thing that made them so daunting to me personally was that they were blind to the Force.
I don't do enough writing or thinking about how things would pan out differently, or started off differently, so I'm not a good authority on the matter 
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like jedi matt im not sure about removing the force blindness, but it's your game, and hey, it might be a good thing.
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Jedi Merkurian
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I'm also mulling introducing the (altered) Vong as well. Here are some of my thoughts:
1. Definately agree with them being the threat that Thrawn (and possibly Revan) were concerned about.
2. Definately agree with them being from the Unknown Regions instead of being extra-galactic.
4. I hate with the fire of a thousand suns the notion that they don't exist/were "rejected" by the Force. I'd make them extremely resistant/nigh-immune to mind-affecting powers, and be difficult to read/sense in the Force.
5. As far as their biotech and relationship with the Force, the novels described them as pain-worshipping, caste-bound, and cruel in the extreme. Readers described them as "barbaric" and almost savage...  ...perhaps they are the result of Rakatan experiments  
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Things I'd like to see:
1. The big three and assorted hangers-on take a HUGE step back. This would be an opportunity for the next gen to take a step forward and prove themselves. Also, there is a need for some non-Jedi, non-military heroes. One of the problems in the novels I saw was that the NR had NO politicians who weren't scheming or idiots. And now we are reaping the fruits of that with no interesting political characters in LotF.
2. Re-write some of the deaths. I actually thought killing Chewie was a good idea, but the death just wasn't very meaningful of immediate to me becuase of the circumstances. He got a moon dropped on him...it was almost too comical to be tragic. Better if he dies fulfilling his lifedebt, taking one meant for Han and getting the one who felled him in a Wookiee rage before sucumbing to injuries. Make the moment personal.
3. I would love to see the Solo kids all survive but be changed by the experience. It molds Anakin into the Jedi the Order needs him to be, a leader of the future. For Jaina she becomes the pure warrior, stick with the prophecies as outlined in earlier material. And Jacen can be changed by the war into looking for a deeper meaning and the power to understand everything, set the stage for his fall and eventual duel with his twin sister (thus incorporating some of the YV's own prophetic lore) and turn to the Dark Side.
4. Keep the galaxy changing events to a minimum. Do not foliate Coruscant, etc.
5. Personlly I hate the GA. The movies and Bantam were about the the effort to restore the Republic. I'd like to see it survive more than a few years. Maybe they might drop the 'new' though. The Empire would have been nothing more than a hiccup in a 25K long history.
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1. The Chiss are finally routed in their brutal war with the Yuuzhan Vong as they successfully open a giant gate to Otherspace/their galaxy and begin conquering/pillaging destroying across the Unknown Regions while building their Zerg-like hideous compounds. I'm debating whether to have the Yuuzhan Vong practice cloning as a matter of course.
2. Vector Prime has the Yuuzhan Vong discovered by Luke Skywalker and they blow up a base. Serendipal is testing a Vong superweapon.
3. The New Republic largely chooses to stay out of this coming conflict.
4. The Yuuzhan Vong dispatch their diplomat, Nom Anor to the New Republic to refute "Chiss lies" about them and point out their conflict with Thrawn's race and his allies is a generational one that they're the innocents in.
5. Borsk Fey'lya does the Chamberlain thing and chooses to appease the Yuuzhan Vong while secretly starting to get the Republic ready for war.
6. The Yuuzhan Vong then begin attacking unaligned planets on the edges of space ala the Mandalorian Wars. Hoping to goad the Republic to War as they continue to solidfy their claim.
7. The Yuuzhan Vong start making their own alliances with the locals and basically do the Persian Empire thing. "Make an offer of submission to us and our gods, offer reasonable tribute to us, turn over any traitors, and we shall leave you alone. Do otherwise and you will suffer enslavement or death."
8. The New Jedi Order and Leia cooperate in aiding refugees while setting up resistance as Kyp Durron says "screw this" and convinces an Admiral to go rogue with him (probably Krefey)
9. The war is on.
10. The Yuuzhan Vong display their supernatural powers and continue building their shipyards with slave labor while conquering world after world. Their gates bringing over more and more of their race from Otherspace.
11. Borsk Fey'lya attempts to get Anakin Skywalker to blow up the Vong homeworld with Centerpoint and he refuses. Leia convinces the Hapans to join the war.
12. Ithor is a wake up call for the galaxy and turns almost everyone in the universe against them.
13. Warmaster Tsavong Lah decides the only way to bring an end to this conflict is to decapitate the Republic. He successfully launches an offensive on Coruscant.
14. Impeached by the government and indicted for war crimes, Borsk Fey'lya commits suicide on Coruscant before blowing up the capital city with a series of bombs he laid around it.
Millions are killed by both humans and Vong.
15. Jacen Solo falls into the hands of the Yuuzhan Vong's Sith allies and is presumed dead. Anakin Skywalker is killed as he destroys the Mykyr Worldcraft and sends it spiralling down into the planet. The Vong's entire bio-warfare research division is wiped out along with all Vong weapons development research.
16. Fyor Rodan suggests a negotiated surrender to the Yuuzhan Vong with Coruscant and other planets returned to the New Republic and a recognition of their sovereignty over any worlds that claim allegiance (i.e. those they've intimidated into surrendering).
Elbaq 9 gives Luke Skywalker and Ackbar the political clout while raising morale for everyone to vote Cal omas in and continue supporting the war.
17. The war continues.
18. The Vong make an alliance with the Ssiruuk as they approach the Empire about dividing the Galaxy between the three of them. They're getting pretty desperate. The Empire instead allies with the Republic as they've already had vast numebrs of NR worlds defect to them for protection. The Yevetha become Vong allies but if the PCs disrupt the peace process then the Yevetha are wiped out.
19. Luke Skywalker goes to the Vong home dimension and frees one of their enslaved Worldcraft. With it's help, he begins to cause the enslaved platenoid like race to rebel against the Yuuzhan Vong.
20. Luke and company retake Coruscant with the Vong surrendering.
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