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sabarte
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8/6/07 1:22pm
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Yevethan notes...
The Yevetha don't care about anything outside the Koornacht. They really don't. They're not planning on invading the galaxy, they don't wish the total destruction of the Republic, from the Yevethan POVs we saw they just want "their" cluster. They think the All is the real universe and everything outside is...hmmm...not worth caring about?
I think the NJO seriously underestimated the tenacity of the Yevetha. They've got at -least- 19 worlds plus the ones they took during BFC (not just N'zoth!!!), and many of these are fully industrialized. They're also active colonizers. Considering the relevant cultural priorities, they're probably half to a third the threat of Hapes, though perhaps not so much while they're rebuilding. It's known that they've rebuilt their shipbuilding capacity by the NJO. We know they built 90+ cruisers and Star Destroyers warships in 10 or so years before, and they have 16 years of NR neglect to work with. With the number of shipyards the Imps decided to put in the Koornacht, they probably have no lack of resources. The NR didn't make an effective enough sweep to ground the Yevetha permanantly.
The Yevetha would not ally with the Vong. The Vong really have nothing to offer them. They're too bloody minded to surrender in a position of weakness. They could arguably be conquered and subdued, but as the Imps learned, that is a bad plan in the long term.
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Charlemagne19
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8/6/07 2:37pm
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sabarte posted:
The Yevetha would not ally with the Vong. The Vong really have nothing to offer them. They're too bloody minded to surrender in a position of weakness. They could arguably be conquered and subdued, but as the Imps learned, that is a bad plan in the long term.
I imagine vengeance on the Republic is enough of a reason for the Yevetha to ally with the Vong. Specifically, their "allying" being so much as they are going to attack the Republic and have the Vong supply them with information while recognizing their territorial rights.
As stated, it doesn't take that much to have the Yevetha TURN on the Vong during the "peace negotiations"
And I'm sure the Vong whup their asses from here to Sunday. I think it'd be a pretty kriffing epic quagmire for the Vong and one of the big reasons they end up losing the war.
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sabarte
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8/7/07 1:04am
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Except the Yevetha wouldn't attack the Republic. They're isolationist xenophobes, not stereotypical sci-fi alien invaders. Their obsession is with maintaining their territorial integrity, and they consider the Koornacht to be the full extent of their territory. They would mercilessly attack any fleet that violated the Koornacht, but they're not going to be leaving the cluster and picking fights.
The whole Black Fleet Crisis was completely avoidable from the standpoint of New Republic military involvement. The Yevetha would have been happy to sit on the results of the Purge indefinitely. They didn't want to fight the NR. They wanted to kill the Imperial-era colonists. It just quickly turned into an interstellar game of chicken that Leia didn't back down from, and the NR went in to drive the Yevethans off the Koornacht worlds they'd genocided. Yevethan warships never left the cluster except a brief foray to capture Han on his way in.
Seriously, Leia tried to enlist the Yevethans against the Empire, who brutalized them much more than the NR ever did. No dice. They don't -care- about the universe outside the cluster except insofar as it comes into the cluster and attacks them.
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Charlemagne19
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8/7/07 12:17pm
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Well Sabarte, I'm saying they would in my games. Their code of honor requires them to avenge themselves for the humiliation by the Republic.
I don't consider them to be quite so deep or peaceful as you do.
Especially since...
1. The Koonatch Cluster is something they don't have.
2. They lost all the colonies they had established.
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sabarte
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They're not peaceful. They're isolationist-territorial! It's a difference!
The Koornacht has religious significance to them. The darkness beyond doesn't.
Seriously, C19, we saw BFC from Yevethan POV. I've reread it in the past week for gaming research. Their overriding obsession is to get the Fifth Fleet out of the cluster. That was the point of all the diplomacy beforehand - to make Leia withdraw the Fifth Fleet well away from there so the Yevethans could sterilize the (non-New Republic) worlds that they thought were part of their birthright - which is all the stars visible from N'Zoth. The Koornacht cluster(too bright for other stars to be seen) and that alone.
If extra-cluster vengeance was that much of a motivator, they'd have gone after the Empire, and they never even considered it.
That may not be as stereotypically sci-fi alien invader as you prefer, but hey, your game, your rules. I'm just noting it's not canon.
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Charlemagne19
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That may not be as stereotypically sci-fi alien invader as you prefer, but hey, your game, your rules. I'm just noting it's not canon.
No and neither is what you said.
I read the same books as you did and not once did I think of anything remotely resembling what you said. Frankly, I think you've read way too much into what they did. Especially, given they DID take revenge on their prisoners for YEARS.
You've also not commented on the In-Koonatch reasons.
So, I disagree with you in-canon and would like to move on.
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Jedi Merkurian
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8/8/07 5:27am
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Moving on...Here's something else that caught my attention about the Vong:
  
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Blithe
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I really like what you've come up with so far, Charles; however, as a GM myself trying to work-out a slightly modified version of events for a campaign setting that will be shortly moving into the NJO time frame, I'd would certainly suggest having Sense Force powers not be of any use against the Vong, except of course against their Dark Side elite. This should really keep it a struggle for any of your Force-using PCs to keep from using not only Dark Side techniques, but just using the Force to attack in general.
Also, another way to do it, if you still want the Jedi to be able to sense the Vong, yet keep the temptation alive, is to have much of the elite warrior caste -- while Force blind themselves -- extensively trained by the Dark Side adepts to block-out psychic powers, like the Sith assassins from KOTOR.
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I like the NJO books and most everything that happened with the Vong and would not change a thing. Yes some important charters died Anakin, Chewie, I would rather have had Lando instead of Chewie but overall they were good books.
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HansHunkyChest
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Rewriting the Vong storyline in almost any fashion would be an improvement in my opinion. The series was a very painful and mostly unneeded reboot for the GFFA. The whole Vong storyline is a rehash of concepts from Battletech's Clan invasion. A mysterious invader comes on the scene, the powers that be are helpless to stop them and can't put aside their differences, the established powers get beaten back until intrepid heroes turn the tide, after heavy casulties some properties change hands and we're back at a stalemate. The story evolving in the Legacy of the Force series is what could have and should have been done in place of the Vong.
1. After Palpatine's final defeat in DE2 and the splintering of the Imperial remnant after Crimson Empire an effective leader should have filled the power vacuum (Daala, Pelleon, anyone half-way competent). The galaxy would/should have been devastated after the events of DE/DE2. The rebuilding of Coruscant in the JA trilogy should have been just the tip of the iceburg as far as reconstruction went. The Outer Rim and many other parts of the galaxy should have been hanging on by a thread. Systems would have been banding together at the local level and forming their own little alliances.
2. Daala's shameful performance in the Darksaber/Children of the Jedi/Planet of Twilight series was absurd. Between her an Pelleon they should have forged a pretty strong Imperial government and military. Thrawn and Palpatine had managed to oust or kill most of the hapless political appointees in the upper military ranks, or they had been taken out by the New Republic. Daala and Pelleon should have had a fairly competent though slightly depleted fighting force. The Imperial remnant should have licked its wounds, solidified its position, and regrouped in its strongholds.
3. As mentioned, the Outer Rim would have been largely cut off from the rest of the galaxy during the heavy fighting of the previous years. Warlords and criminal groups would have taken over in many regions. The New Republic and Imperial remnant would have only been interested in strategically and politically important worlds/sectors in these regions. With depleted military assets neither group would be in a position to exert much power over anyone declaring their independence. Worlds in these regions would have followed anyone offering running water and resumed trade.
The way I see it starting in about 12 ABY the galaxy would have largely broken into several factions, the New Republic, Imperial remnant, independents, mini-Empires, mini-federations, and criminally controlled groups. There's plenty of epic conflict there to not need the sort of reboot the Vong invasion was. The Chiss are interesting and would have been yet another powerful faction in the galaxy and there's no reason the Corellians wouldn't have still rebelled against the NR. It's also a period where Palpatine and Vader's legacy would have been meaningful. Palpatine had a number of Dark Jedi and Sith running around all over the place. With all the upheaval in the years prior they could have easily established themselves somewhere to gain a following and increase their power base. Luke wouldn't have been the only trained Force user setting up an academy. Such a situation would have made for a good set up to the ~130 ABY Legacy era.
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