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Will WOTC's D&D 4th edition effect the Current d20 SW:RPG?
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darthmythos
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1/11 12:59pm
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Will WOTC's D&D 4th edition effect the Current d20 SW:RPG?
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I'm not too hip on the new 4th edition of D&D, so excuse me for my ignorance. I am pretty sure it will not be based on the d20 rules.
Do you think the SW:RPG or any of the other d20 games will make the switch over to this new system?
Also, they are bundling in software with the releases this year that is called "GameTable" I believe. It is supposed to work somewhat like OpenRPG or the other online pnp RPG programs, so that people can connect and find people to play with. Has anyone heard any more on this and do you think they will allow the use of the d20 rules in this as well? I ask this in hopes that the SW:RPG will work on it.
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Jedi_Master_Adara
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I really don't think they should have put out the new books for D&D, in their case change wasn't the best idea.
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Jedi Merkurian
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You'd probably be better-served checking out some of the talk about 4E at ENWorld or Wizards. However, 4E is still a d20 game.
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and 4.0 rocks the cazbah.
It takes on the talent trees (called paragon paths) and really allows for a lot more customization of your characters.
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inkpenavenger
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Indeed, 4E rocks the proverbial socks
...or...
4E is the worst thing to happen since 3E
Indeed 4E is still the d20 system
...or...
WotC changed so much that it's not even D&D anymore
It all depends on who you talk to, I guess. I for one love 4E.
To answer the original question, no 4E will not change SWRPG. They just released Saga Edition, they're not changing it again already.
Also, there is no "software bundle"
GameTable is a JavaScript DMing tool available online (just Google "GameTable") but the one I prefer (it's like GT on speed) is MapTool from RPTools.net.
The game table that Wizards is releasing is a SUBSCRIPTION ONLY feature on the D&D website. The entire D&D Insider suite was supposed to launch with the books, but you know Wizards, they never get things out on time. Once D&DI is online, you'll have to pay $15 each month to access its features which will include the aforementioned 3D online gametable, a character sheet-filler-outer program, a character model designer, and a search database of all the 4E rules.
Yes, D&DI will cost more than a WoW subscription. Seems silly to pay so much to still do all the work yourself. That's why I endorse RPTools.net. Did I mention their programs are free?
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FlareStorm
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Unfortunately, no computer tools can be made by any company other that WoTC for 4th
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inkpenavenger
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No software can be sold for 4E other than by Wizards. But freeware is still free. I use the RPTools.net suite for my 4E campaign. All of their programs are highly customizable and can be adapted to virtually any RPG system. I use it for 4E and SE, but the tutorials online mention the Action system and the Hero system.
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FlareStorm
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I'll have to check it out then. The map tool and dice roller are fine, but I don't see how you could use that character thing with any rpg system
also, as to the original post, no SW tabletop stuff unless WoTC makes it. There was an awesome character generator back before RCRB called Okina rdae and WoTC told the author told him to stop. Hasn't been anything since then
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JoinTheSchwarz
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7/2 10:52am
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You 3.5 guys could always check Pathfinder RPG, by Paizo. They just got Monte Cook and Sean K. Reynolds into their developement team.
I'm getting my first 4E campaign ready. We'll see.
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Koohii
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I have to go with several coments I've heard, based on my basic skim of the rules and attempts to build 2 characters:
It's so different, it's barely even recognizable as the D&D that spawned it anymore.
Looks like in abandoning the roots of D&D, they've cleaned up the illogical baggage of the previous systems.
So, don't think of it as the same game. Consider it an entirely new game, and learn it that way.
On the down side:
Why do we need 3 species of elf?  
No 1/2 orcs? 
No bard? 
On the upside:
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inkpenavenger
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Well, those three species of elf (4 if you count the Drow) have always been there, just not all in the PHB.
Half Orcs never made sense to me. Half Orc, half human? How would that happen? Orcs hate every humanoid that isn't also an orc, so how would a human "hook up" with one? The only way a halforc could logically be concieved is via rape, and the offspring would probably be seen as an abbomination and be killed at birth. Unless you were making a campaign world in which orcs get along with other races, they simply don't make sense.
As for the bard, I never liked bards in the first place. I too lament the absence of my favorite 3.5 class: the Monk, but according to WotC, more PHBs are going to come out that will include more of the old classes including psions, druids, barbarians, bards, monks, etc. In the meantime, you could run a bard-like character by multiclassing Warlord and Wizard/Warlock. Just change the asthetics.
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Jedi Merkurian
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Koohii posted:
On the down side:
Why do we need 3 species of elf?
As opposed to the myriad variations of elf in 1st-3rd Ed? 
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No 1/2 orcs?
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Welcome to D&D: World of Warcraft Edition.
No thanks.
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Sorry, but that horse has been flogged to death, clubbed, reanimated, flensed and then turned for good measure. World of Warcraft comparisons are really overplayed, and usually used by people who don't really have anything solid to base their hatred on, but they know that whatever this new system is, they don't like it. What exactly is it about this new system that you don't like any more?
inkpenavenger posted:
Half Orcs never made sense to me. Half Orc, half human? How would that happen? Orcs hate every humanoid that isn't also an orc, so how would a human "hook up" with one? The only way a halforc could logically be concieved is via rape, and the offspring would probably be seen as an abbomination and be killed at birth. Unless you were making a campaign world in which orcs get along with other races, they simply don't make sense.
Those damn orcs, ruthless murdering war-mongers who hate everything that doesn't have the decency to be born like them. Rotton to the last, just like the drow.
It's entirely possible to have orc/human relationships that aren't ugly. It's not as though they're tieflings, where someone in the family is quite literally made of evil. Not that it precludes any sort of affection between the couple in that pairing either.
Seriously, it's like saying "humans think elves are jerks, elves think humans are fools, why on earth would there be half-elves?" It seems like it's using the whole "Always Chaotic Evil" thing, served up with a big helping of "Beauty = Goodness".
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inkpenavenger
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OK, so I forgot about Drizzt. Point taken. With a well-developed backstory involving a rare, heroic orc for a parent, I suppose a half-orc can be justified. You've given me an interesting campaign idea too, invovling said rare, heroic orc. Thanks.
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