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epithree
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3/26 5:21pm
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Axle-Starweilder posted:
i think that says it all right there.
just because it happens sometimes doesn't mean that the whole game is flawed.
and since we're talking about opinions; what, in your opinion, is the flawless fighting game?
MKII maybe?
Well every game has flaws. However, 'the whole game is flawed' is not what i said. What i said was that my opinion is that the game is overrated. That's all.
There is no flawless fighting game. Though you bring up an example of a nearly perfect game. The first three mk games easily outrank brawl upon my personal list. How do you feel about the mk games?
Anyway, thanks for the reply.
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ParaMunn
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negative zone is fun. not my fav. final smash, but fun. my personal fav FS's are Link's, Toon Link's, Marth's, and Ike's. other than those i like Sheik/Zelda's, Sonic's and Peach's. i really dont like snake's. it may look fun but from the games ive played its SO easy to avoid every shot he fires.
epithree ive been reading about ur theory about button mashing and really, i think brawl is one of the most techincal games out there. theres so many little things that u have to plan out in a seconds worth of time (i.e. Should i throw my projectiles now? Whats the best move for recovery in this situation? Should i try to jump over this dude's head now?) and these little things are what seperate the pros from the joes. in fact, about a week ago, i played with a few button mashers for hours and hours and i won every game... so like every game out there for the most part, practice makes perfect. i think u should search a few vids. on youtube of the more advanced players, and see how different their playing style is different to that of a button masher. not badly presented opinions there epithree, but still i strongly disagree. and i personally like brawl MUCH more than any MK game out there. not to say that MK is a bad series, but i think Smash Bros has it beat pretty well.
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey
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3/26 10:53pm
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You can't compare MK with SSB. Period. They're too different in style to have enough in common to compare.
Like I mentioned before, has anyone completed SSE fully?
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Axle-Starweilder
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52% for me.
i can only imagine what comes next.
by the way, how's chris webber workin' out for you guys over there?
i love him.
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey
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Axle-Starweilder posted:
52% for me.
i can only imagine what comes next.
by the way, how's chris webber workin' out for you guys over there?
i love him.
I've got 53%, so we're in the same boat. 
And you're joking about Webber, right? If not, you missed him
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Axle-Starweilder
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oh, that sucks.
i mean, about chris webber, not our boat.
he played with the pistons last year and i was really rooting for him.
i knew he had bad knees but i didn't know he retired until just now.
i guess it's cool though. he'll just go down in the history books like reggie miller, or charles barkley, or even karl malone.
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epithree
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3/27 11:27am
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ParaMunn posted:
negative zone is fun. not my fav. final smash, but fun. my personal fav FS's are Link's, Toon Link's, Marth's, and Ike's. other than those i like Sheik/Zelda's, Sonic's and Peach's. i really dont like snake's. it may look fun but from the games ive played its SO easy to avoid every shot he fires.
epithree ive been reading about ur theory about button mashing and really, i think brawl is one of the most techincal games out there. theres so many little things that u have to plan out in a seconds worth of time (i.e. Should i throw my projectiles now? Whats the best move for recovery in this situation? Should i try to jump over this dude's head now?) and these little things are what seperate the pros from the joes. in fact, about a week ago, i played with a few button mashers for hours and hours and i won every game... so like every game out there for the most part, practice makes perfect. i think u should search a few vids. on youtube of the more advanced players, and see how different their playing style is different to that of a button masher. not badly presented opinions there epithree, but still i strongly disagree. and i personally like brawl MUCH more than any MK game out there. not to say that MK is a bad series, but i think Smash Bros has it beat pretty well.
Well of course u can compare mk with ssb. They're both games, aren't they?
True... their styles are completely different and they don't share many common aspects... but does that mean we can't throw em upon our personal ranking lists? no.
personally, i rank the mk games much higher than any ssb game. And that means that i had to compare them. i'm sure you've all ranked them as well.
paramunn i have to admit that negative zone is an enjoyable final smash. and yes, it's extremely easy to dodge every projectile from snake's.
anyway, thanks for readin up about button mashing. i agree that brawl is one of the most technical fighters out there. It's mastery of the little intricate things u mentioned that separate the pros from casual players. That's why it irks me when a button masher wins against a truly advanced player. i have to admit... i've not lost to a button masher yet (haven't played many). However, i've seen it happen many times to other players that deserved to win. u see, my opinion here is that practice doesn't make perfect. practice certainly makes u a stellar player, but it doesn't guarantee perfection. the disturbing anomaly of a button masher winning does happen, and that means the pro player's practice didn't payoff. nice little tongue twister there.  lol. i've seen some youtube vids of advanced players but i shall search for more. And i agree that a button masher's style is different to that of an advanced player's. wonderful reply paramunn, but i still can't ignore the horror of a button masher occasionally winning. personally, i have to rank any mk game higher than any ssb game. that's not to say that ssb is a terrible series, but i believe the mk series is far superior. thanks for sharing your opinion and i look forward to your next reply.
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The2ndQuest
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Where does the negative zone thing come from anyways? What game is it referencing? Is it a mistranslated Minus World reference or something?
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Darth_Omega
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The2ndQuest posted:
Where does the negative zone thing come from anyways? What game is it referencing? Is it a mistranslated Minus World reference or something?
In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Luigi's final smash trophy states that the Negative Zone is a "reflection of the dark side he embraced in his brother's shadow" from Wiki. 
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epithree
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey posted:
You can't compare MK with SSB. Period. They're too different in style to have enough in common to compare.
Like I mentioned before, has anyone completed SSE fully?
Well of course u can compare mk with ssb. They're both games, aren't they?
True... their styles are completely different and they don't share many common aspects... but does that mean we can't throw em upon our personal ranking lists? no.
personally, i rank the mk games much higher than any ssb game. And that means that i had to compare them. i'm sure you've all ranked them as well.
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I think I finally understand where epithree and Obese_1_Kablooey are coming from with the buttom mashing/c-stick abusing thing. Just correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say that a button masher or generally less-skilled opponent can defeat a more skilled one, you're referring to a specific set of rules in which this can actually occur (during free-for-alls, I'm assuming), correct. Items on or off, FFAs require a whole lot less skill/strategy than singles/duels/one vs one matches or even doubles/teams. With items on, it almost becomes anyone's game (that's a fairly large exaggeration, I know) with the new luck factors and natural advantages thrown into the game in turning them on. Heck, this guy didn't need to do anything and he won his match.
You might also want to check out the Smash competitive scene, epithree. There are tournament rules that call for the most fair matches possible that go hand-in-hand with the competitive scene, and you'll generally find the best players out there involved in that particular scene.
The tournament rules for Melee were as follows:
- 4 stock
- No items
- 8 min time limit
- Friendly fire on
- Best of three (or best of five in a championship)
There was also a stage ban list that was in place to make the matches more fair and to erase any natural character advantages that come with the more gimmicky or just larger stages. There was a tier list to support these stage bans as well, because the higher tier characters were normally the ones who benefitted most from
And if you need a first-hand experience, I've been in and around the competitive scene for a while now, and tournaments, the people you meet there, and generally the competitive Smash community itself are all great. It's been overall just a great experience; the people you'll meet online and at tournaments are the nicest people you'll ever meet (and ones who share your interest in Smash as well). The community itself is extremely tightly knit; tourney-goers would very often go to dinner with each other after tournaments and normally everyone liked each other. I remember the cheers at Champ Combo (big NorCal vs SoCal tournament near LA) shifting from "SoCal" to "Cali" at the end of the tournament. We were just an extremely tightly knit group; it was great.
I guess I should also list the Brawl tournament rules as of yet as we;;:
- 3 stock
- 9 min time limit
- No items
- Team attack on
There is a stage ban list for Brawl as well, though it's fairly inconsistent right now among different tournaments. Go to the Smash Boards (www.smashboards.com) for more information. Or if you need it, I can offer explanations for any part of the rules or just in general anything that didn't make sense to you.
epithree posted:
Well of course u can compare mk with ssb. They're both games, aren't they?
True... their styles are completely different and they don't share many common aspects... but does that mean we can't throw em upon our personal ranking lists? no.
personally, i rank the mk games much higher than any ssb game. And that means that i had to compare them. i'm sure you've all ranked them as well.
First of all, you're looking at the situation very, very generally, and secondly, I think he means you can't compare the two when you're attempting to determine the better fighter. They're just too different to determine that accurately (although I think any of us with half a brain can figure that Smash > MK; more content, more play options, more replay value, more unique fighter = better game )
Generally speaking though, you're right. You can rank them like you have, though that's (in most cases) mainly if not fully opinion-based and would vary from person to person.
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Like I mentioned before, has anyone completed SSE fully?
I'm at 93% now, but I've haven't really put much effort into completing it 100%. I'll get to it later, but for now the multiplayer has been enough to fully satisfy me. I'm still not familiar with all the characters.
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ParaMunn
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 everything jedi master ron said is pretty much 100% correct i think. one thing i find a little wierd (not incoreect, just... wierd) is how they took away one stock and added one min to brawl tourny rules... i didnt know about that so ive been mostly playing with melee's tounry rule set for brawl practice (which is pretty much the same, just those two tweaks) the current rules for brawl could change im sure though, since brawl just got released. i was in a tourny with some friends a while back (for brawl, nothing professional or too competitive, just messing around with friends) and they pretty much used those rules without the time limit... but they left the smash ball on  and i lost to Ike. Ike's FS is amazing if it hits lol
the one thing i disagree about is that i think any game comparison will ALWAYS be opinion. theres never a clear winner. even if someone says aquaman battle for atlantis is better than final fantasy 7 (which i truly hope will never happen), its their opinion. theres no clear-cut winner, ever. so i think it kinda has to be looked at generally. so of course, to each his own 
as for SSE... actually i havent touched SSE since i beat the boss and got the other 3 characters that i didnt have. i gotta get back to that after i beat classic with everyone
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Jedi_Master_Ron posted:
I think I finally understand where epithree and Obese_1_Kablooey are coming from with the buttom mashing/c-stick abusing thing. Just correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say that a button masher or generally less-skilled opponent can defeat a more skilled one, you're referring to a specific set of rules in which this can actually occur (during free-for-alls, I'm assuming), correct. Items on or off, FFAs require a whole lot less skill/strategy than singles/duels/one vs one matches or even doubles/teams. With items on, it almost becomes anyone's game (that's a fairly large exaggeration, I know) with the new luck factors and natural advantages thrown into the game in turning them on. Heck, this guy didn't need to do anything and he won his match.
I didn't mean FFA, though. I'm talking about straight-forward 1vs.1, duel, whatever you may call it. This game is not a set-in-stone system, Ron. Anyone has the possibility to beat anyone fairly, items or not. Yes, it rarely if ever happens, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
And can somebody tell me the background of the Hanenbow (sp?) stage? I'm too lazy to find out myself. When I first played the event match on it I was distracted by multiple WTF thoughts.
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Trimaj
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anyone really had much of a chance to play sonic? i got to a little at a gamestop. i'd have been able to mop the floor with almost any one i've played in melee with him, but that's not necessarily saying that much. just wanted opinions on him.
take him over mario any day of the week though.
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