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Jedi Bib
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4/4/02 8:15pm
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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Valiento
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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Jedi bib you wanted LFL's and lucasart's official stance on it, if they were to come in here?
Here from lucasarts.com:
"Does George Lucas personally oversee all the Star Wars games to make sure that they don't conflict with his storyline?
LucasArts was founded in 1982 by filmmaker George Lucas to provide an interactive element to his vision of a state-of-the-art, multi-faceted entertainment company. Although Mr. Lucas is not involved with LucasArts' business on a daily basis, he is involved with reviewing all of the LucasArts game concepts and his creative energy drives much of what we do. In addition, LucasArts works closely with Lucas Licensing Ltd. to insure that all projects maintain the integrity and continuity of the Star Wars universe."
As well to further show that lucas involvement and the role of continuity, take a look at the making of starfighter video on TPM DVD, where it declares that lucas makes sure that the stories in video games fit into is views of the universe, and he gives many ideas so that it can be the best that they can be.
That's what you would get out of LFL, if they came in here.
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Cigam Retah
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4/4/02 9:17pm
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where it declares that lucas makes sure that the stories in video games fit into is views of the universe, and he gives many ideas so that it can be the best that they can be.
Tell that to the 'Rebel Assault' team.
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Valiento
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4/4/02 10:00pm
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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rebel assault really has no problems, that was gamma base on that unnamed ice planet. As well continuity explains that rookie one actually missed the shot at the end. It was luke that took the final shot.
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jp-30
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4/5/02 12:53am
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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The masked text below was put in in error. I shan't remove it totally because a lot of what goes on below references the text. Ignore the masked text unless you want a better handle on what caused the drama in this thread.
The reason it was posted in the first place was to provide balance to statements such as;
rebel assault really has no problems, that was gamma base on that unnamed ice planet. As well continuity explains that rookie one actually missed the shot at the end. It was luke that took the final shot.
Which use games EU to explain what happened in the movies.
As I'm sure some of you are aware, this is the JC.N policy on EU & canon;
a. For all intents and purposes, EU is not on the same level as the OT.
b. EU cannot be used as undisputed fact in a debate on the OT.
c. Turning threads into canon v EU wars is not allowed.
You're free to disagree with this as much as you like, but bear in mind that this is now official admin policy.
I also point people to read this " I'm really confused about canon" article on the Official Site.
Key points are;
- While issues like these are often best left to each individual's "point of view"...
- When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences.
- The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play... A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable.
All I'm asking here is tolerance towards others viewpoints & opinions. Everyone is allowed their own interpretations.
Let's all respect that, please.
Sorry for the undue drama this appears to have caused
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Sturm Antilles
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Date Posted:
4/5/02 1:07am
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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Also, let's remember that this is the Games forum. Not Lit. It attracts different people, some of who don't know or don't care about the videogame plots. They won't always agree on the same issues that someone who likes the novels does.
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Teknobabel
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Date Posted:
4/5/02 2:47am
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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Luke, his skills are more disciplined than Kyle's. More focused, practiced and honed.
Oh and I reckon Luke's teeth look better during the cg cutscenes than Kyle's. And good teeth and a spanky new haircut will get you anywhere (deliberately misquoted from Rimmer's Dad).
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Boutros-Boutros
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Date Posted:
4/5/02 5:18am
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Also, let's remember that this is the Games forum. Not Lit. It attracts different people, some of who don't know or don't care about the videogame plots. They won't always agree on the same issues that someone who likes the novels does.
If they don't know or care about the video game plots why would they particicpate in a poll/discussion that requires specific knowledge of game plots to even make sense? If you don't know who Kyle is, what the Valley is, and how they are related then participating in this poll is a *total* waste of time (as opposed to a partial one). Furthermore, Kyle's history is just as important as Luke's to this discussion, whether it is canon or not. Also, since this is an EU debate, not an OT one, there's no rule against using EU as undisputed fact. Yay!
For my money I think Kyle would win, given the power of the Valley. I'm not sure that he's necessarily stronger in the force than Luke, or more a more skillful warrior, but strange things happen when you start messing around with prophecies .
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Rabid_Balding_Ewok
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4/5/02 6:21am
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Don't care. Video Game plots/characters are even lower then your basic EU novel/comic. The movies are fact all else is irrelevant and takes place in some alternate universe which loves to contratdict itself. But to play along...
Luke: The guy couldn't swing a Saber if his life depended on it. He drools when he gets mad. His skills where so great that he let one of Jabba's useless henchmen shoot him in the hand. At one point he carried a little blaster pistol. The extent of his powers was a Force Grip, Mind Trick on a weak minded fool a little Force Jump, empathic communication and telekinetics. And if we are to use his exploits from the EU this guy is a total chump. For a Jedi master he gets his arse kicked on a regular basis.
Kyle Katarn: Looks like some goof that lives in a trailer park(Jk-JO). He gets to wear a portable shield, concusion rifle, Force Destruction and Force lightning, he can turn invisible, gets Force Speed access to all manner of weapons that are actualy pratical. Access to 3 different saber styles and a hell of a lot more Force Powers to choose from then poor old Luke. And finaly Kyle is just some make believe chump from an alternate galaxy. 
luke wins by default since Kyle Katarn dosen't exist. 
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Princess_Liar
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4/5/02 7:35am
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However much I might like Kyle to win, in the spirit of SW he would probably either be destroyed by his anger and... er... implode or something (possibly by farting thermal detonators), or he'd do another MOTS style "Noooo, I can't do this! It is not the way, it asks too much of me! I can't kill my friends and allies." and not bother.
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Valiento
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Date Posted:
4/5/02 8:25am
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RE: Dark Side Kyle Katarn/w Power of Valley vs. Luke
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"Don't care. Video Game plots/characters are even lower then your basic EU novel/comic. The movies are fact all else is irrelevant and takes place in some alternate universe which loves to contratdict itself. But to play along..."
Not according to policy of gamer which came out a month after the online article. In it everything in the EU is canon, on the same level books/novels/games/comics, etc all on the same level by lfl policy.
But the movies are said to be Absolute Canon in policy in gamer(which I remind people is LFL policy to be sure, if it wasn't it wouldn't have been allowed to be printed).
Considering that the movies don't compare Kyle Katarn/w Power of the valley to Luke Skywalker(at least in my copy of the movie, I don't see any character going into a long speech about kyle katarn and how he compares to luke). Because of which kyle katarn books/games do not contradict the movies. Lucas authorizes every EU material(mentioned in few of the magazines and books that he goes over a synopses of the story to make sure that big ideas do not contradict his story, as well as the knowledge that he gives and goes over all the stories in his direct lucasfilm games company to make sure they follow his view of the universe, according to the video on TPM dvd), so if a contradiction was to arise he wouldn't allow it. Since he saw no contradiction then there is no reason to complain really.
On a side note while gamer says that is the lfl policy, it says at the end that everyone has the right to follow any Unofficial continuity policy if they want to(Speaking of movie purists I know there are people that don't consider the prequels part of the overal continuity,  ), but LFL was just getting their official policy out in the open. But people have the right to ignore lfl's policy if they want too.
But in the case of my arguement, since this is an EU related poll, I was just bringing up all the EU related facts material related to it. But if EU is against the rules to talk about expanded universe in the Expanded Universe Games section, perhaps this thread should be locked?
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Boutros-Boutros
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4/5/02 10:29am
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I *think* RBE was joking around, Valiento.
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Valiento
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4/5/02 10:54am
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My comment wasn't just to rapid balding ewok but to JP-30 as well.
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arabiansanchez
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4/5/02 11:17am
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This thread gets my official stamp of pointlessness. 
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jp-30
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But in the case of my arguement, since this is an EU related poll, I was just bringing up all the EU related facts material related to it. But if EU is against the rules to talk about expanded universe in the Expanded Universe Games section, perhaps this thread should be locked?
The points I made in post 50 relate to allowing everyone to have their own opinions. The EU vs OT policy was quoted simply to balance out observations such as;
As well continuity explains that rookie one actually missed the shot at the end. It was luke that took the final shot.
not specifically the Kyle vs. Luke theme of this thread.
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