Speculation The Official Episode VII and the EU thread

How can you judge something you know nothing about?

 

Personally I doubt Disney's fake star wars will bear little or no resemblance to EU

 

If you read what I said you would see I said Luke was not perfect. And whatever the other EU bumbojumbo there is, the idiot idea of Luke going to the dark side to defeat IT is not in keeping with who the character is Bro! Look at episode V, there was the perfect opprotunity for an inexperinced Luke to join his father. Join the dark side to beat the dark side, The Emperor. Did he take this? No. And backed up his decision in VI when he saw the dark sides hold on his father. Now some crack-pot writer is going to come along and tell me Luke would do something contrary to his character as presented by the man who created him? Nope. I'll go all day on this topic boys.

And who said Superman or Luke was better than one or the other? To me there are just fundamental rules to certain characters. Period. Luke is better than Superman... so this we agree on.

 

I do think the Jedi has a very over-inflated reputation & are revered far too much by many fans as ultimate badasses who cannot and should not ever lose.
They are not invinsible, and not all of them are perfect.

 

Thats why I loved the prequels because it challeneged those ideas. Qui-Gon skirted the line, while Obi-Wan went by the books. Dooku fell away, while Yoda was steadfast. Interesting stuff..

 

I've not read Karen Traviss's stuff, but she seems to get a lot of hate presumably from the Jedi fanboys who find it offensive that the perfect unstoppbale Jedi are portrayed as jerks or people who make bad decisions. So what if some non-Force using race like Mandalorians can kill Jedi, I don't have a problem with that at all since they are the Klingons of the SW Universe.

 

This is one of the reasons why I really do believe the EU will get the "reboot" treatment a few years from now. It’s not confirmed, but it’s pretty likely that Episode VII alone will steamroll over a great chunk of post-ROTJ EU. As you said, I think an "EU 2.0" is a real possibility in the next three to four years.

 

The reason why Luke didn't join Vader and the Emperor then and why he became the Emperors servent in the Dark Empire is the same. To protect his friends. When Vader offered In Episode V he was still clearly the bad guy and had Lukes friends hostage and if you read Dark Empire you would see that Luke at the time thought it was his destiny to sacrifice himself to stop the clone emperor.

 

I've become an EU fan but I think it is going the way of the "new' Doctor Who "adventures" that were published between 1990-2005.

Unless they leave the 30 year gap untouched and don't disturb the EU continuity, major things will get wiped. If Chewbacca is in EVII, the Vong War loses its biggest moment - that can't be retconned into being Chewbacca's second cousin or something. If Luke never got married in the films, there goes most of the post RotJ EU. This simply can't be good for the EU. I think the best thing to do is to curtail Leland Chee's activities and stop trying to make it all sync up, and let the EU be the EU and the films/tv-series be their own thing. Without the damned "Holocron" none of these conflicts would exist.

 

Well some of those got reworked into episodes in the new storyline, or used concepts from them.

I'm taking bets now... EU gets chopped off at either Survivor's Quest or immediately after the NJO with subsequent material being rendered infinities (Yes, Star Wars has non-canon AU tales as official works called infinities) and the new episodes are 20-30 years post Endor. This means we'll get most of next generation (they might move Ben's birth up or something) as possible protagonists and their parents as mentor figures. Luke will be an Obi-Wan figure and so forth.

This might actually earn back some fan accolades because many of the post NJO events are considered rather dumb or badly written... getting rid of Mara's (really she lost to someone I think she'd crush with one hand behind her back), Chewie's (Done for shock value only, hear the editor's talk about it...), and Anakin Solo's (Probably the best death of the three) deaths.

I personally think making it a sort 'family' movie like Zahn has suggested in his reaction revolving around Ben, Luke, and Mara would be a brilliant kickoff to the next chapter.

 

I've read a bit of the EU and enjoyed most of it, but I never heald alot of stock in the stories. For me I guess the movies are what is real (since all EU is based on the movies), so if EpVII wipes out half of the EU I wouldn't shed a tear. I will have new MOVIES to expand my Star Wars Universe!!!

 

Can you limit the quote tree a bit? My goodness!

 

Sorry to raise a point which may change the focus of this thread, but I am having sleepless nights over the very real possibility that the EU as we know it is going to be destroyed! How then do we cope with the EU v. Non EU? Will all those hours/weeks/years of my life reading all the novels have been wasted?! I don't think I can cope with parallel chronologies. What do others think? Do we just have to accept the EU in its current form is over and a re-boot is inevitable? Perhaps if we accept this I can move forward and save myself the money I would have paid for the new Crucible novel.

 

Talon karrde

 

You can rest easy... Pablo Hidalgo - Lucas Films' continuity specialist - has already been tasked by GL to do research for the upcoming ST. MOST of the EU should stay intact. IMO the only risk is some small minor things as happened with the PT - that much is inevitable.

 

The thing is, even if they reversed what we know (original storyline) and did announce they were adapting The Thrawn trilogy or NJO as the basis for the new movies there would still be plotlines cut out or important/popular characters skipped over or timelines condensed and that would still set off huge canon arguments and cause the EU as we know it to beither be retconed yet again or labeled AU. There are still Tolkien fans who haven't forgiven PJ for not including Tom Bombadil, Glorfindel, other Dunedain or changing a lot of character storylines etc.

If The Clone Wars causes heart ache over minor characters dying differently or having personality changes or not being as prominently featured than they should be, then there's no way new Live action movies which we already know are going to be at least mostly original material are going to cause less. If for example Thrawn or Rogue Squadron are mentioned or background characters in a way that doesn't support 100% of their EU doings then that is going to cause more schisms not less. Think Even Peill, the Mandalorians, Boba Fett on a giant scale. Ahsoka is considered a massively controversial character for a number of reasons, but partly in that she contradicts previous books and storylines and fan views even though she will probably die or get passed to another Knight in TCW, thus not messing up ROTS continuity.

 

This is what you need to know, era by era:

Dawn of the Jedi era (36,000-25,000 Before the Battle of Yavin (BBY)): This is Duursema's and Ostrander's baby so it's just a bunch of pretty pictures. Plot's not really important.

Tales of the Jedi Era (5,000-3,000 BBY): Everyone was Egyptian and then they were wiped out by KOTOR's Mandalore fettish.


Jedi vs Sith era (c. 3,000 - 1000 BBY): Basically a bunch of emos in eyeliner and this crazy silopsist dude. Some bloke named Darth Bane gets his head stuck in a bird cage and makes the Rule of Two we know from the movies. Or maybe we don't really know, since every Sith and their brother in the movies had a Secret Apprentice or five.

That Really Boring Era (c. 1000 - 67 BBY): Absolutely nothing happened here.

Pre-TPM Era (67-32 BBY): A bunch of movie tie-ins. Palpatine and his Sith Master throw drunk wild parties until the latter dies from consequences relating to alcoholic poisoning. Parties afterward were just never as good.

Slow-Death Republic Era (32-22 BBY): Bunch of movie tie-ins. Surfer dude Jedi was sorta cool.

The Clone Wars (22-19 BBY): Choose your own adventure: Genndy CW, Filoni TCW, or the novels. Basically all paths lead to death. That's all you need to know.

Rise of the Empire Era (19 - 0 BBY): Lucas said no one could touch this era. It was violated anyway.

Empire/Rebellion Era (0-5 ABY): Outside of the movies and anything related to the movies... Xizor.

New Republic Era (5-25 ABY): There are two names you need to know: Kyle Katarn and Thrawn. Other than that, nobody. Everyone else in this era died. There was a new republic and it failed miserably.

New Jedi Order/Yuuzhan Vong Era (25-29 ABY): Extra-galactic villains arrive. Everyone dies. If you say "Anakin Solo Died" on the forum five times fast, you get good luck. Or banned. Depends what forum you're in I guess.

WTF Era (29-45 ABY): Just ignore this era's existence. It's just... yeah, just ignore it. Please. For your own sake. For the sake of your loved ones. For the sake of anything and everything you hold dear.

Legacy Era (130-138 ABY): More pretty pictures with Duursema and Ostrander. Basically just an era of one gloriously-drawn battlescene after another.


So if you follow my timeline you should be set. No need to read anything or play any videogames. Except maybe KOTOR or Dark Forces.

 

I agree totally except for the klingons part i think a mando would kill a klingon in a second

 

Thanks for your words of comfort! I'd heard similar and so I hope you are right. I can live with some minor deletions (I can live without Dorsk 81; hey, I can live without Dorsks 1through 81); but to delete the existence of the Skywalker or Solo children would destroy the EU: as if Disney is a code name for the latest galactic super weapon!

I hope Jobertus' post above proves right.

 

The fact of the matter is, if Lucas's ST story treatments don't reflect the post RotJ EU, there's no way to sync the two up. Especially when Disney releases things like EpVII novelizations, spin-off books, comics, games etc. the EU will have to suffer. My hope is that they will trash this idiotic idea of syncing it all up and let the old EU be its own thing, and let the new SW franchise be its own thing. But we're getting into DC comics territory here! Things could get messy. As sad as it is, in all likelihood, Disney doesn't care about EU as anything more than a "Roman quarry" of images, characters and ideas, I'm not sure they even understand what it exactly is or what the fanbase is like. I mean, people who got upset over a few tweaks in TCW are going to lose their minds as everything post RotJ gets swept aside. For myself, I hope we don't lose the Dark Horse comics continuity but...we're into unknown territory here. Only time will tell. As of now, it all stands; but we have to face it, the EU represents a very tiny part of the potential audience for new SW. I'm not expecting a Niles Ferrier cameo

 

In fact, here's an idea, what about a special logo, like "Classic Expanded Universe Continuity" or something? Then they could do both and even better for hardcore EU fans, stop messing with the old EU. Maybe for the new stuff they can label something like "New Expanded Universe"? Just an idea.

 

It may well go that way, but for me, at least, the attraction of the EU was its glorious consistency. Two parrellel universes just contradicts that. Perhaps the best solution is just a re-boot of all the post-ROTJ EU.

 

I'd feel sorry for the hardcore fans who kept SW going through the 90's if that happened. Personally, I'd hate to lose the DH comics, the original KOTOR games (great world building, characters & mythology). But yeah, I'd be willing to bet that Disney will wait as long as possible then simply pull the plug as the hype machine starts for EVII hoping that the majority of fans don't take it too hard.

But I guess we'll see...

Irony: I was finally going to read the Vong Saga ha ha!

 

I never said Klingons were better, only that Mandalorians are to SW as they are to ST.