ST Who's The Baddie?

What about the guys that always followed the Emperor about? Are they like dark side mystic's or something?

 

Wrong. You should read Darth Plagueis, it's an excellent novel.

No.

 

Who are they then? How do u know they are not?

 

Yes and I remember agreeing with you about Plageuis (wasn't it in the Sith thread?). Of all the dead characters, he'll be the least problematic to resurrect: after all, we never actually see them and we have to trust Palpatine's words.

I'm afraid this is going to be a cliche at this point.

Violates the rule of two so unlikely (same with any secret Vader's apprentice). Honestly, Plagueis's return is the best idea I've heard so far. But I agree with you it's not likely to happen. GL and the writers will want to do something new and shocking. Even in the PT, where we knew the main story, there were plenty of surprises (who'd have though the clones would be the future stormtroopers and the the "good guys"?).

 

Yeah, the Darth Plagueis novel by James Luceno is excellent. What's more, apparently Luceno had more than a little input from Lucas.

 

They are his royal guard. Trained slightly in some dark side of the force. Plenty of source material has been done on them. Not unique enough for main villains in the ST by a long stretch.

While I would not root for a return of Plaguies I am fine with whatever they do so long as the story is done well. A resurrection of Plaguies would not be as bad as Palpatine or Vader since

1. He has never been in any film thus brand new to the majority of fans as a villain.
2. His death could potentially be worked around better than Palpatine or Vader

All that being said, the return of Plaguies would be drastically far form my preference. I also want someone brand new even as a fan of the EU. The only way I will accept something considered old is if it ties in really well with the story we have thus far and moves it forward in a awesome way.

 

Hego's dead. Accept it, son.

 

Isn't really a violation of the Rule of Two, which is less a rule and more a guideline.

A.) Darth Bane considered training a new apprentice to replace Darth Zannah, found the candidate (Darth Cognus), Cognus ended up being trained by Darth Zannah after she defeated Bane.
B.) Darth Tenebrous trained Darth Venamis because he thought Darth Plagueis wasn't good enough, Plagueis killed both Tenebrous and Venamis.
C.) Darth Sidious trained Darth Maul while he was still an apprentice to Darth Plagueis, and later after losing Maul (and killing Plagueis) took on Darth Tyrannus as an apprentice while grooming Anakin Skywalker to replace Tyrannus as his apprentice.

The point being, the RoT is not usually adhered to strictly, even if not adhering to the Rule could present a danger to the Master. If a Master trains more than one apprentice, he better do so clandestinely lest the apprentices team up against him/or her, I suppose the same could also be said for the apprentice.

 

But none of this stuff is mentioned in the movies. If you're not familiar with the EU, you'll think it was never violated. I'm not saying it's totally implausible, but I don't think it's going to happen.

 

And who knows, that might happen in the future. It might be one of the spinoffs that Disney has in mind.

 

Why in 60 BBY?

 

But wouldn't logic dictate it as a possibility? I'm not saying it would happen, but I highly doubt the majority of fans would view it as odd. At worst they would think "So some guy used their brain and broke a rule". At best logic would say, "Well if you are planning to off your master or apprentice you are going to need a new apprentice to fill in the slot. You're not just going to off one without having a replacement to already get things moving. Palpatine was already grooming Anakin in many ways before he had Dooku taken out. Again. not saying it will happen or even that it should happen, but I highly doubt it would be as big of an issue as some think it would be.

 

Read the novel

 

While I now no longer think they will use Plagueis in the ST, him being the villain would make a lot of sense for the following reasons:

• The audience is already familiar with him because of his mention RotS.
• Him being mentioned is a kind of Chekhov's Gun scenario.
• Plagueis' goal was immortality through Midi-chlorian manipulation, so you have to be suspicious that any character like that could return.
• He's essentially the father of Anakin skywlaker, and his story ties into the Chosen One prophecy, etc, which wasn't really explained in the previous films.
• Judging from his motivations in the novel, it wouldn't suprise me at all if he deliberately let Sidious kill him, knowing that he had a way of returning. With the Chosen One on the loose, this could have been his way of getting out of dodge and one-upping the Force.
• The audience will expect a villain on par with or greater than the Emperor, well, who better than the guy who trained the Emperor?
• He's one of the few character that could pose a legitimate threat, and actually kill Luke in a confronation, who would be a Grand Master Jedi at this point.
• In some of the earlier outlines Lucas made for the saga, the Emperor didn't die until ep9, so bringing the Emperor's master in as a replacement makes a certain amount of sense.

 

We saw Darth Plagueis already as Lord Voldemort

 

I didn't mean his guards, I meant the old creepy guys in ROTJ.

 

Is he really the Emperor?

 

I don't think brining back dead villians is the best idea, however i don't think all brand new villians is good either unless you are starting fresh with the good guys too...

Having Luke and Han fight new villians may work in the books, but i just don't see it.... I think they're going to need to make strong connections and that may (or may not) include bringing back some dead bad guys...

 

Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep. Next.

 

Oops. Sorry I misunderstood you.