Lit The Mystery of Tulak Hord - continuity shenanigans

I too wonder about the history of Dromund Kaas. Who built the "Dark Force Temple"?

 

great topic Sinre! but the rhyme of Lord Hord sounds too funny

well, your solution solves quite some continuity troubles in one retcon. I like it for that. Though it presents us with 2 potential but not neccessarily problems:

1) If Tulak Hord and the Sith who left the Caldera fought a prolonged war against the Jedi/Republic how comes no captured Sith talked about their secret home Sith Space? How comes nobody was able to find the Sith and follow them like in later conflicts? Makes me think that the war was shorter and more a quick hit. They could not take Coruscant or hold major worlds and thus turned to harassing others around the core until they retreated to Sith space beliefed to be defeated/dead.

2) If Tulak Hord fought the Jedi while he was one of the Exiles... couldn't he have done so BEFORE they became the exiles during the Hundred Year Darkness instead of attributing Yn and Chabosh to those exiles who left the caldera? Thus geography plays less troubles for us and they could have had a short war, with base on Arkania and the Sith library there, but would have failed, retreated to Sith space with Tulak Hord claiming they were victorious to get power? fits a Sith

 

I don't really see a major problem this soon after the Hundred-Year Darkness personally.

After all, these people are still Dark Jedi first, and Lords of the [backwater worlds inhabited by this newly discovered unimportant primitive species named] Sith second. If an Exile, Tulak Hord was still a Dark Jedi Master, one of the true Jedi who understood the true nature of the Force, not those illiterate and naive Bendu-obsessed fools in the Jedi Council. If a British officer was captured in India, he still thought himself British, not an Indian.

And as for those strange red-skinned savages who Hord had enslaved out on some misbegotten Rimworld and brought back as cannon fodder? Those fanatics were monstrous and prepared to cut their own throats before denouncing the name of their incarnate gods. Kriff, those beasts couldn't even speak Basic or decipher a star chart to point out where they'd come from! </Republic interrogator>

(This is actually where I really like Khem Val in TOR, as he's a good example of how little information you're likely to have got over a captured servant.)

 

I actually thought that Hord was one of the Exiles due to the fact he uses lightsaber (although we assume that the Sith stopped to use lightsabers, there is some facts that prove otherwise like in Crosscurrent with [insert name I forgot] who was scarred by a lightsaber 20 years BEFORE the Great Hyperspace War). He could have been the successor of Pall after his death.

And I think it wasn't clearly specified that Dromund Kaas was discovered by Vitiate : at first I thought the " we rediscovered the planet " was a lie, but since it is clear in the TOR encyclopedia that Hord discovered the Dromund system, Vitiate could have not lie. So, Ergast being burried on Dromund Kaas could be located in - 6600 BBY.

EDIT : stupid me... Ergast is told to have resettle Dromund Kaas. So yes, Hord ruled the Sith in 5300 BBY. The only problem is the fact that the Jedi didn't know about the Sith and Korriban, the war against Hord was never mentionned.

 

Some of the stuff coming from TOR in terms of space travel actually don't make much sense to me. I mean going to such distant places like Hoth or the Inner Rim from the Caldera? But I sometimes think the ancient Sith still had some Rakatan Force drives in their forces that allowed them to reach such locations. Not widespread tech but kept in a Sith's household and forces as a strategic advantage which could perhaps explain their very far reaching grip. I know space is third dimensional and not as simply represented in a map but some locations I think are just unrealistic such as Hoth. I do like Ceiran's idea that any battles were short and quick; not long prolonged campaigns. Seems to fit with the setting.

On why no one interrogated the Sith... well, we do know that the Red Sith had no problem committing ritual suicide like how many did so when the Republic invaded. I'd imagine those Exiles or Sith Lords in charge died in the battle and left their followers behind who simply killed themselves. Perhaps the Republic hid knowledge of this enemy from its citizens with it only being known by the highest echelons in the government? Might explain why the Chancellor ordered such a ... complete extermination of Korriban at the conclusion of the Great Hyperspace War.

 

Remember that the book is, per the author, written "entirely in-universe," which may explain some of the continuity errors.

 

good point on rakatan hyperdrives there and Force astrogation allowing more direct routes like the one the Jedi use to directly go to Ilum in the middle of the UR!

still think we need an ancient Forceuser Astrogators Guild in prehyperdrive times btw and very different looking starmaps with more "direct line" routes only forceusers can take like the Coruscant - Ilum connection, the Daragon Trail and other Rakatan routes. Revan too found Lehon in the middle of the UR without exploring all its surrounding territory. Sounds like another direct jump that was force-assisted to me!

thus maybe the Rakata and their Force hounds had a network of those crisscrossing direct lines between their worlds in the Infinite Empire, much inlike modern hyperlane maps.

then again, the Sith might have used Gree gates or Kwa hypergates too... though much less likely.

 

Not necessarily, there were "pure " humans (meaning no red skin) in the Sith Empire. Tulak could have been one.

 

Depends in what capacity he became a Sith Lord really. If he was one of the Exiles, then I could easily see him still becoming ruler, even when humans were now slaves.

Hypothetical: if Baron Dreypa had woken up, returned to Korriban, would he not have instantly laid his smack down on the inbred mongrels that now ruled his empire, and declared his right to rule his empire?

So if Tulak Hord was someone from an earlier age that just, for whatever reason, "came back" to Korriban after it had been taken over by the hybrids, then I could easily see him demonstrating why he was not just some random human lackey. (Depending on how the timeline matches up, he could even have called on the Tapani exiles as military might to reestablish his claim to the throne.)

 

I do wonder though whether the ancient Red Sith Empire was perhaps the inverse of the Sith Emperor's ones. We see Human High Culture in the TOR era Sith who look down on alien slaves and the like unless they are exceptional and manage to rise through the ranks. Could something have been possible with the Red Sith? That all aliens from outside the Caldera were treated badly except those few Force sensitives that managed to prove themselves? Not sure they would have been easily accepted either but I do wonder if it were possible. After all, the Exiles did manage to bully their way into power by making themselves look like gods to the ancient Sith so makes me think whether a potentially powerful Sith slave could rise in power and enter the ranks of the elite Sith Lords. Again, they might not be popular and face potential assassinations but aint that in the end what Sith society is all about?

 

Remember, the Exiles were the highest caste.

 

only humans are so cruel to enslave other humans it can work

 

I don't remember the Humans being slaves in the Old Sith Empire. After all, the Exiles were humans and were the Upper caste. Anyway, 5300 BBY is kind of confirmed with two facts : Ergast was of the ones who resettled Dromund Kaas (which was in 4980 BBY) and did his ritual 300 years after Hord's death.

Plus, I don't remember Hord being a human. This was never confirmed, so he could be a red-skinned Sith.

The only problem is the fact he battled and killed Jedis, and somehow they did not remember him or the Sith.

 

Someone has to survive for them to remember him...

 

In the Lost Tribe of the Sith novels, I think there was an example of a human character, who was a slave or servant, recalling being abused by Ludo Kressh- and his rage was at least partly because he foresaw humans taking over the Sith Empire.

 

Regarding lightsabers, that's a bit grey nowadays tbh since you've got the Tapani exiles of [insert unspecified date] who brought not only the human slave stock but reintroduced lightsabers too -- accounting for the ones in Lost Tribe, Crosscurrent, etc, circa. 5000 BBY. So these days it seems less that Naga Sadow et al couldn't have had one, and simply that they chose not to.

So Hord might just have been an exception who wanted to get back in touch with his Jedi roots.

"Ooh! Tapani with new crystals! YAAAY!! I can be the first Dark Lord in millennia to wield one of the old weapons! Wooooo!!"

Then Marka Ragnos rolled his eyes and decided the Empire needed to be a bit more conservative and not run around warmongering and risking discovery.

 

I was under the impression that Naga Sadow represented the ways of the Exiles while Ludo Kressh represented ways of the Red Sith. Kressh was probably afraid of the Red Sith being enslaved AGAIN.

 

It's possible that the "Red Sith" by the time of Lost Tribe, were all human-Sith hybrids.