Speculation we need more women main characters.

Sure, I agree that a person cannot be purely defined by its traits, but it is a part of a character. Ignoring would potentially be a bad thing.

 

Its not racist at all. Depending on the type of film, ethnicity could be a a VERY important trait of the character. You ever see the movie "Crash." Not the Cronenberg one.

 

Thats asinine and silly. You mean to tell me that the experience of a black kid growing up in the inner city of LA isn't different than a white kid growing up in a suburb of San Fran?

Your mean to tell me ethnicity is not going to play a part into certain types of films and then you have the gaul to imply I am being racist?

 

I'm a big fan of the "right place at the wrong time" kind of character. The one that has a situation thrust upon them and has to deal with it whether they want to or not. But I don't remember alot of female characters that fit that bill. It tends to be either badass female heroes who actively seek to be heroes or female non-heroes without alot of middle ground.

That's kind of the big problem I have with how "strong" female characters tend to be handled. They often end up being tough, rough, badass, and gritty to compensate for being female. But very few of my favorite characters in fiction are even two of those things.

The protagonist of Worm is an example of a character who doesn't need to be a hardass warrior or be an obvious badass to be both strong and female.

 

Ethnicity is tied to cultural difference as well, and that is my point. They're black children that defy the sterotypical "black experience". There is no characteristics directly tied to someone's skin color. But the cultural relevance of someone's ethnicity could play an important part depending on the type of film you are doing. Its not important in ALL films, but some of them its extremely important.

 

Sure, the experience of being minimalized and the poverty which is usually associated with it. That is why I said stereotypical. There is a whole genre of films by black filmmakers that deal with it.

However, not every black character would have that experience, I agree.

 

No I don't. They are two different things.

A generalizations would be that most woman do not serve as firefighters. I would be right, that would be generally true.

A stereotype is saying: all black people are poor. Its not true, its stereotypically true.

If I said that most black people lived below the poverty line in the united states. That is a generalization. You can prove it with statistical data.

 

1) Nomi Sunrider and 2) keep the EU discussion to a bare minimum please.

 

if you scroll back to a previous post, I explain all that. Its not really the same character, other than some superficial traits(she was more similar to Leia). It was when Star Wars was direct remake of "Hidden Fortress." The character of the general was the main character.

The idea of a female skywalker comes from treatments of 7,8,9 who took over the "leia role". The dynamic of that trilogy was the relationship of brother and sister.

That is why I have been speculating on the whole cousins angle.

 

In the spirit of this thread, I suggest George make the following change to ROTJ in the next special edition.

JERJERROD: Lord Vader, this is an unexpected pleasure. We're honored by your presence.
VADER: You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule.
JERJERROD: I assure you, Lord Vader, my men are working as fast as they can.
VADER: Your men? What about the women?
JERJERROD: We have no women working aboard the Death Star, my lord.
VADER: ....
JERJERROD: I tell you, this station will be operational as planned.
VADER: The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.
JERJERROD: But he asks the impossible. I need more men.
VADER: What about more women? I find your lack of equal opportunity disturbing. Perhaps you can explain it to the Emperor when he arrives.
JERJERROD: The Emperor's coming here?
VADER: That is correct, Commander. And he is most displeased with your apparent lack of social progress.
JERJERROD: We shall double our efforts.
VADER: I hope by doubling your work force by making use of women, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving of sexism as I am.

 

What about a black kid from inner city LA and a black kid from a Paris suburb. Would their experiences be identical as they have the same colour of skin? Dangerous ground you are on.

 

Would an Irish/American and a Irish/Scot have the same character trait's. In fact I'd wager that not all inner city LA black kids act the exact way, like an inner city Stepford wives manner. Mental, completely mental.

 

No that is the point. But ethnicity is tied to certain cultures, in certain societies. Being black would also be very relevant to a movie that dealt with the apartheid of South Africa. A character is not just the traits that they possess but how other people would potentially treat them as well. If I originally envision the character, in that apartheid setting, to be white. Then I decide that I should change the character to be black, that has MAJOR ramifications wouldn't you say?

But, no, there is no distinguishing characteristics to color of someone's skin in of itself, that is just silly(not what I am saying either). Plus, I explicitly said it only applies to SOME films, not ALL films.

 

I'm not talking about Star Wars. I was talking about writing character vs roles. It was a much broader subject matter that I was originally having with Vailary Scott. How you associated that with talking just about Star Wars I have no idea.

Your hypersensitive and easily offended(which is your right). Your also very quick to throw out words(like sexism, misogyny, and racism) to the point it has no meaning anymore.