Full Series The Clone Wars - 5.19 - To Catch a Jedi - discussion thread

It is pretty sad to see how far lil' Soka has fallen from grace. From getting praised by Barriss for how in control she is to losing control of her emotions and going on the run. She is exhausted both mentally and physically. Lost in the ghetto. She is teaming up with an outlaw who tried to kill her before. For all that Ahsoka is still calling herself a Jedi and believes she has enough pull to get someone pardoned. Perhaps Anakin does since he was going to pardon Lux. However even Anakin has had a moment of doubt. Plo is the only other person who arguably may believe Ahsoka is innocent. Ahsoka is then beat up pretty bad and now she is in the clutches of two clone officers. One used to be like a brother and the other one is the one I think is destined to shoot Ahsoka down like a dog or atleast try to. Once again, was that a sunrise or a sunset at the end. I think its a symbolic sunset, the sun setting on an era and the sun on Coruscant will rise with things forever changed for Anakin's Padawan.

 

Oh wow, I just realised Barriss wasn't seen on-screen in ROTS. For some reason I kind of automatically assumed she was in it because of Luminara's blink-and-you-miss-it appearance on Kashyyyk. Now I'm worried.

(can you tell I haven't been keeping up with this thread?)

 

She's bearing up pretty well, as runaways are classically vulnerable to any bad influence that sees them as prey. Ventress' uneasy alliance was sort of like that, but not the awfully dishonest usage of exploiters in RL. Ventress is raw, but honest.

TCW hasn't explored much of Ahsoka's 'otherness', except for her looks. For instance, she hasn't used her montrals to echolocate, at least that viewers can perceive. Especially in this ep, it's kinda funny that Wookiepedia says 'In order to protect themselves from dangerous predators, and to hunt their own prey, Togruta banded together in tribes and relied on their natural pigmentation to disrupt and confuse slow-witted beasts.

 

The horn things are used for echolocation? Hah, the pattern stuff makes me think of a Zebra's stripes actually with the way the Wook described their purpose. Most predators like the lion don't see in color (cats are actually believed to see in blues and greens). When the herd panics and runs their stripes cause the zebras to seem to run together making it hard for a predator to pick out an individual animal. Its to bad Ahsoka doesn't have a her of togruta's to run with. xD

More seriously, Ahsoka seems sad to admit she has anything in common with Ventress when they meet. Ventress is easily persuaded though because at this point I think she more than anything seeks freedom to make her own way in the galaxy and go wherever she wants. That's harder when your a wanted criminal.

Ahsoka is probably vulnerable to bad influences at the moment but none of Ventress's traits seemed to rub off. It seems more like Ahsoka rubbed off on Ventress with her not cutting down the clone troopers whens cornered and later thinking about going back to help Ahsoka after leaving her. Ventress is becoming more and more 'good' but Ahsoka helped move her along on that path a little in this episode.

 

Alright I am finally caught up. And all I keep coming back to is why would someone frame Ashoka, what does it gain them? How does it help them?

And enjoying this story arc better then most of them this year so far.

 

If the attacker is Barriss, then IMHO absolutely nothing. However, if the attacker is not Barriss (nor a Jedi for that matter) then there's room for a non Jedi setting up the Jedi Order for internal confusion and mistrust, especially if there really are Jedi who don't like their involvement in the Clone War. As contrived as Letta's involvement (as a force user) may sound, its a lot more plausible than Barriss being a traitor. In Letta's case, we've seen both deception and hints of aggression.

 

Those questions may be left as a type of "cliffhanger" for Season 6. The voice actor for Tarkin recently said on a Rebel Force Radio podcast that his character gets a lot nastier (pure speculation on my part).

 

I don't think it needs to be that complicated. Framing Ahsoka followed from needing to silence Letta. As soon as the assailant killed Letta, they had to make it look like Ahsoka was the one doing it, that way everyone would be looking at Ahsoka and not looking for whoever really killed Letta and therefore whoever Letta's accomplice was. If it is Barriss, why wouldn't she frame Ahsoka if she can get away with it?

 

Of course, if the assailant(s) had "silenced" Letta from the beginning instead of stupidly Letta-ing her live and protest outside the Jedi temple, none of this would have happened. Anakin and Ahsoka barged right into her apartment, so it's not like she was hard to get to. And if the assailant is against the war, they should have framed a Council member instead of a Padawan who has no responsibility for the direction of the Clone Wars or the Jedi Order. I can't wait to see how this is explained next week. And (IMO) the bombing better be explained instead of having some cliffhanger cop-out to draw viewers to whatever Disney channel this show will be shown on next season. We'll probably get the cliff-hanger, though.

 

I don't see any full explanation in the upcoming episode. Personally all I care about knowing is whether or not the attacker is Barriss. IF it is her, there's no chance an explanation is coming in the same episode. If it isn't, then we have a new character to look forward to in season 6.

FWIW I think Ahsoka is going to be expelled from the Jedi Order either way.

 

I wonder if that was also Barriss who strangled Letta. In disguise as a clone maybe?

 

Because screw canon. Who needs a pacifist Barriss when we can have a bizarre contrived villain?

ERMAGHERD TALKIN ABURT CANON GET URT ERF DER THRED. Nah, see, if we're talking Star Wars, canon is pretty much always a point of discussion. And this just pisses me off too much for me to omit anything. Barriss turning evil makes no sense in any way I can see.

 

Just give me great Ahsoka development, season finale. This seems like the biggest step in her development since the Season 3 finale, her being on the run there too and losing Kalifa (that image of Ahsoka looking defeated and just walking away as she is being shot at is still one of this series most powerful IMO).

 

I honestly don't think anyone had brought up that theory yet. The guy watching the prison monitors perhaps? They would have access to the camera and sound systems, and we've seen people force choke via holograms/video screens before (ESB).

Nah, too difficult. The chance would be too great that they would think rationally, dodge the traps, and hunt down the source. Asohka is young, frightened, and not thinking totally soundly. Besides, they are trying to show the jedi council that the war is distorting the jedi order. What better way to do that than through the murderous actions of a padawan who has long been participating in the war effort?

Gain? Nothing. My theory on a motive for using Asohka if it's Barriss still stands though:

Spoiler: Barriss logic (potential)

"By framing a jedi for a terrorist attack that kills clones, the Senate will force the Jedi out of the war. That framed jedi will be an unsung hero who saved the order by their sacrifice. I will frame my best friend, and by this make her the hero who saves the order, even if I'm the only one who ever recognizes it."

 

Sid gains from the Jedi losing face, and from the Jedi's growing paranoia regarding each other, but perhaps Dooku gains by turning Anakin against Palpatine..?

 

How aware is Dooku of Palpatine's plans to turn Anakin at this point? I know the ROTS novel states this: "The survivors of the Jedi Order would become the Sith Army." which is part of Dooku's inner monologue on the future plans of Sidious, but of course he doesn't know the full picture.

 

The more I read through this thread the more I want the next episode to just totally surprise me with how they handle the attacker's identity and the why. Its a pitty my predictions rarely come true because I would laugh so hard if after all this happened my theory that Barriss is actually trying to help Ahsoka and not evil at all came true.

 

So why would she attack Ahsoka and leave her next to the incriminating nanodroid depot to be recaptured?

Never mind the fact that she wouldn't have known where the factory was in the first place if she hadn't already been there.

 

Yeah, it's hard not to talk about canon with this arc, mods.

Isn't this thread where discussion is to take place? Canon being severed is a discussion is it not? Why are people being banned from discussing what is being effected by this episode? Ok, you're trying to direct a discussion to another thread.. why? Spoilers from the episode are allowed to be discussed and picked apart here.

Also

Spoiler

if you can't tell who the bomber is by now you probably haven't been around in the forums a lot anyhow since it's everywhere in thread titles and ect

Main point is, why is discussing canon this episode deals with a bad thing?

 

Actually I did, back in the TJWKTM discussion thread

 

Coric If you can't tell who the bomber is, you're too young to watch this show.

 

But kids are stupid right?

 

If they throw out Barriss' fate as depicted in the graphic novel of ROTS, then I would think that Dooku's view as explained at the beginning of the novelization is equally on the chopping block and it's unknown whether the goals of Dooku in TCW are consistent or completely different. It would help if he actually got some character development.

It's my suspicion that maybe Lucas regrets making Dooku. He's a visually unexciting character, they killed him off ASAP in ROTS and replaced him with the four armed, lightsaber wielding cyborg. And in TCW where most, if not all, of the stories originate from Lucas in some capacity, Lucas hasn't really dedicated any effort to developing Dooku and the most we really got to see from him was in Dooku Captured. Since then he's pretty much just Sidious 2.0 with the occasional Anakin fight. And then they subsequently brought Savage and Maul into the picture to be poster boys for the show. That's just my speculation though.

It's difficult to say how far the Jedi will be removed from power. In ROTS they are still generals, so it's not like they get removed from the war entirely nor are they made subordinates to people like Tarkin AFAIK. There is the cutscene in ROTS where it is mentioned about the establishment of moffs as military governors and Padme is concerned about that. It's unclear in the scene itself if maybe the Jedi had to answer to the Moffs?

If the goal was for the Jedi to lose face though, I would think that any political building would be better to attack than the Jedi Temple. I mean if you want to make the Jedi look bad, why frame the Jedi for attacking themselves? Attack the senate building and blame it on the Jedi, etc. I don't know what throwing Ahsoka under the bus accomplishes. She gets killed or arrested. If Barriss was having misgivings about the Jedi Order and Ahsoka was her very close friend, wouldn't it be expected that Barriss would have maybe mentioned such misgivings rather than falling to the Dark Side over night and wanting to frame her best friend and killing her training partner?

If she were a prospective new apprentice to Dooku or something like that, then betraying Ahsoka could fill the same role as Dooku killing Sifo-Dyas and Anakin betraying Mace - sort of a blood pact to prove one's commitment to the Sith and sever ties with the Jedi by committing an unforgivable offense.

 

...and the masked person is...

AURRA SING!

There to conduct her revenge against Ahsoka for crashing Slave I..
No one would see that coming.