PT Things you didn't like about AOTC

I didn't like the dialog in romance scenes with anakin and padme

I also really would have liked to have seen more character development out of the more minor jedi characters

 

I don't like that NSync's cameo was cut out

 

Ah, AOTC...the one prequel I can't embrace. 50 percent inspiration; 50 percent exasperation.

Specifics:

-Christensen's lascivious, stalker-glare as he says "Sorry, m'lady." (Seriously, get a restraining order, Padme.)


General:

-Some of the incredibly-cumbersome-even-for-Star-Wars dialogue (e.g., the political "debate" between Anakin and Kenobi as they safeguard sleeping Padme).
-The entire last act, which looks and unfolds like a bloody video game.

 

THAT is something that I've hated. What was meant to be an epic battle and beginning of a great war turned into a giant army of droids vs Jedi and clones, which is pretty much every Star Wars video game that is related to AOTC. I have no clue how that could have been fixed or if that idea was just going to end up being a video-game-looking-scene inevitably.

 

That was the main problem with the Clone Wars conflict as portrayed by the films, it was just disposable people fighting. Droids VS Clones, both beings made to die.

 

I rather like droids vs clones, both beings made to die. On top of being entertaining, it makes sense to me.

To answer the question of the thread, basically everything before Kenobi gets to Kamino.

 

It shows the Jedi to be unethical. That they choose to use such an army, to allow something like that. They had a choice. They aren't solders as they like to say, why go along with that? Why not tell the Senate that they object to the war and not participate? What was really at stake? That Dooku had convinced star systems to secede from the republic? OK, let them.

The Jedi are unethical. And they are fools, played like a fiddle by Palpatine

 

But again, the fight is over secession. Just allow it. Dooku loses the ability to find backing for a war once there is no reason to fight.

 

The Jedi's call is their involvement,or lack of involvement in the war. They are not soldiers, they went along with this by choice. They could have said that this is wrong and we won't be a part of it.

They are unethical

 

The republic could have used the army without the Jedi. Or they could have just allowed secession. Either way, the Jedi were complicit essentially using test tube babies bred to do nothing but serve the government and die on their behalf. You justify that if you wish, I'm comfortable calling them unethical.

 

So it's not ethical, but you take issue with it being called unethical........................

 

I think, overall, the problem with the clones is that using them wasn't ethical, but there was hardly an ethical choice to be made in the Jedi's situation. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

They could refuse to use the clones, but then what? The Separatists would overrun them. Plus, if the Republic didn't take the clones, what exactly would the Kaminoans have done with them? They certainly aren't going to feed and house them for free. In all likelihood, then, the clones would have been sold to someone else --likely the Separatists. Or perhaps just "euthanized" outright if the Kaminoans couldn't turn a profit on them.

Then, of course, there's the fact that the Jedi are sworn to defend the Republic and they likely would have been branded traitors for refusing to fight.

All in all, though, the Jedi paid a heavy price for using the clones -- they were wiped out by them in Episode III. So I hardly think the films are portray their use as a good or ethical thing. That's my take on it anyway.

 

Oh wait, I just thought of a serious one.

I HATE that the eletric guitar in "Chase Through Coruscant" was removed. That would have been perfect for when they fly through the power couplings...

 

Ah, it's the fools part you take issue with. I see. Well, they blindly accept this army created under at best questionable circumstance. They blindly charge into this war without questioning the motivations behind the two sides.

Literally every choice they make is the wrong one. They are a clown college.

 

They could have had the strength of conviction and abstained from involvement in the war, even at the cost of personal risk .They are not soldiers. Aren't the Jedi supposed to be selfless? Now we justify their actions by saying that a regime, lead by an evil ruler none the less, possibly branding them trators justifies unethical action?

 

Their allegiance is to the Senate and the head of the Senate.

And, truthfully, I think the Jedi saw it as their duty to defend the Republic. And thus they compromised their ideals. They later paid for it heavily.

You say "they are not soldiers" and this is what the movie itself points out -- "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers." When they tried to fit into that role, it led them into disaster.

 

That justifies breeding people to die on the battlefield? That they answer to the Senate?

 

Do you not think fighting to defend your home is a selfless action? I'm sure the Jedi would have seen it that way. That if the clones were going to go out there and fight no matter what that the Jedi would be better served out there helping them rather than staying behind safely in Coruscant. That doesn't make it right, but sometimes there are no good choices -- there are only bad choices and worse choices.

In the long run, yes, the Jedi should have abstained from the war and fought for more diplomacy. But I can also see how they saw it as their duty to defend the Republic to which they had sworn their allegiance.

The PT is about the fall of the Republic and the Jedi. People and institutions don't crumble due to exterior threats. It's the internal weakness that proves fatal.

 

Read that in it's context. I said that excusing their actions because they could have been branded as traitors doesn't fly for a group that considers itself selfless

Using that army is unethical. I do give you credit that you are at least willing to point to the faults in the Jedi order. Some fans won't do that.