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I'd rather have her be a specialist in a certain profession. Then she'd still fill an important niche despite not being force sensitive. Think R2-D2.

Force sensitivity would only really matter when she is on-par with the other powerhouses, otherwise she'd remain at the sidelines forever.

 

Any particular type of specialist? Since the problem with specialists is to include them again and again in scenes you typicially gotta have the same problem again and again. Which itself can be a problem...

 

Medic, Tech wizard (R2 currently fills that role), negotiator (Leias traditional role) and weapon specialist are all roles that could be important during a Star Wars movie.

People get injured a lot during fights, usually, therefore having a doctor at hand is very useful.

 

Funny, somehow I never saw them.

What I did see was a lot of people hoping that Disney won't throw out the EU. There is a difference.

 

I'm aware of the difference, there were definitely people claiming they wouldn't. There were multiple people debating me about it.

EDIT: After about 2 seconds of looking in this thread I find this quote:

Oh yes!! Weeks of speculation have finally validated what I've said from the beginning!! The movies will be keep EU continuity intact!!

 

Why do so many people think all the Jedi must be dead by ANH?

The only basis for thinking this is Yoda's line to Luke when he was on his deathbed: "When gone am I the last of the Jedi will you be".

People seem to forget that Yoda was far from infallible. He was considered a very wise Jedi master, but he also got stuff wrong all the time. He was quite literally mistaken... about a great many things. I have no problem with dozens of Jedi, maybe even a couple hundred, surviving right through the purge and the fall of the Empire.

If people truly understood the scale and scope of A GALAXY, just from a scientific/astronomical standpoint, they would find it suddenly easier to accept that many Jedi survived. In fact, of the Jedi who survived Order 66, it's possible only a minority actually got hunted down and killed. And they were the ones who advertized their presence, or started being a thorn in the Empire's side drawing Vader in, or even sought him out to confront him etc. Banding together with conclaves of other Jedi was a good way to get rooted out as well. Bad idea.

But for any Jedi who went to ground, on their own, not associating with other Jedi, and kept their heads down, surviving the next 20 years should be no biggie.

 

I'm not claiming there was such a "memo". It just seems most people on this thread now seem to be of the opinion that Disney won't be constricted by the EU. Whereas, a few months ago, there were several people arguing that they would.

 

Not sure how I feel about Luke's kid(s) running home to their mommy for boboos... plus where did all the 2-1B's go? Budget cuts? ... If medic, imho, she should be a Jedi healer... to make it less pathetic and more fantasy

Approve Weapon Speaclist though... its at least a kinda knod to Mara Jade. Still Im a Mara fan, so part me has just gotten a bit sad . However if well done it could be really good, stress the could

 

@ Ryus
Jedi healer would work well too even if I find doctors more interesting generally. They can use all this funky tech while magical healers usually just mumble some magic words and lay on hands on the patient.

Jupp, weapon specialists are useful. They are the guys who will know how to exploit any weakness of an opponent with the right toy.

Title of Episode IV was A New Hope and not "Oh, there are hundreds of Jedi around, lets defeat the empire together".

Lukes specialness is destroyed if there are lots of Jedi around during the OT. It destroys the feeling that this is the last chance to make the galaxy good again.

 

Yeah but Luke's different. He is the son of the chosen one. He has pretty much inherited the vergence of the force that surrounds his father. The force is stronger in him than in any other Jedi. He is also Vader's Achilles heel, since Vader can't bring himself to kill him.

Other Jedi can exist in various parts of the galaxy, but they're scattered, divided, leaderless, with any given Jedi likely knowing nothing about the other Jedi out here, who they are, where they are, what kinda shape they're in etc. They're never going to overthrow the Empire. Their existence does not cheapen Luke's role.

 

So sayeth you. Even pathetic, weak Jedi banded together would be able to handle two Sith and do a lot of damage to the weak-willed Imperials using their mind tricks.

Plus you're basically saying Luke is only special because he is the son of another, greater man. I don't subscribe to that notion. Lukes choices and deeds are what make him special, not only his relationship to Anakin Skywalker.

There's also the fact that Yoda said Luke was the last of the Jedi and if that is proven wrong that is akin to retconning the movies. I am against retconning the movies. Period.

 

Uh... not sure about that. Palpatine went though three weak(er) Jedi in mere moments. If this new villain tops him... well it would take a few hundred of them to bring him down.

In the EU Jacen, Revan, Bane, Exar Kun, Krayt, etc... went though average and above average Jedi really quickly too.

I agree Luke's choices made him special but the movies did make his bloodlines power cannon too. Yoda, Luke, and the Emperor all alluded to it.

 

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Is the EU thread a place to post a petition for new stories? or are these spinoffs based on EU?

Just wanna be sure what Im signing ahead of time.

 

Honestly, I don't think such petitions do any REAL good, however, there's no harm in writing a personal letter saying "Hey, as a Star Wars Fan, THIS is what I'd like to see and spend my money on". All it costs is a little time and maybe a stamp.

 

Sheesh, does every single line in the films need to be taken as absolutely 100% immutable? It's a generalisation people!

I mean, on the one hand, ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a blaster by your side. But then, the power to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the Force. I'm so confused! These are both film established facts! They have to both be true.

I don't like things like The Force Unleashed, where fully-trained Jedi are fighting as part of the Rebel Alliance. That undermines the important role Luke plays. However, I have no problem with the fact that maybe, just maybe, not EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 10,000 Jedi in the prequels has to be dead. Totally possible that even a handful are laying low on some backwater planet, not using the Force, not acting like a Jedi, and not drawing any attention.

Effectively, Luke is the last of the Jedi. Certainly the last active in the galaxy at large. That's enough for me, without every single person who ever so much as touched a lightsabre having to be dead.

Nope, not going to sign. I think there's no quicker way to destroy everything interesting about a character than giving them an "Origins" film.

I mean, remember when we got a trilogy of films about Vader's backstory? Everybody loved those, right? No one ever had any complaints about those., right? Certainly no one has ever said that they diminished Vader's appeal in their eyes, yeah?

If they have a great story idea that could include a young Han or a young Boba, then great, but even then, there's the risk of them being shoehorned in (the EU novel Death Troopers, which I just finished, springs to mind). I have no interest in watching their backstory just for the sake of it.

 

I agree - for example, I always thought the 'Lost 20' referred to Great Jedi Masters who left the order, not every Padawan Learner or Knight who became disillusioned with things...

Obi-Wan himself even says "I was ONCE a Jedi Knight, the same as your father..."

 

@ Jedi Comedian

There's a difference between a straight exposition scene and a positioning of characters scene. But Yoda teaching his Padawan about Jedi facts is as straight exposition as there is. So yes, Yodas dialogue lines about the Jedi and the force are, in fact, gospel.

The line about hokey religions by Han Solo was on the other hand placed there to show he is a cynic and that common people like Han Solo don't believe in the force anymore. And the way the scene was set up it was made crystal clear he is misguided about the force.

Maybe you think I'm overly strict, but if you give the EU authors even a finger they will take the whole hand. Therefore, better not give them a finger by the way of the ST.

While Luke is powerful, it wasn't the main thing what made him important. When he was grilled by the Emperor his force prowess wasn't worth squat. In the end his perceptiveness and his purity lead to his victory. I think there's even a message in there somewhere.

 

Why would people sign a petition to have a film based on the origins of Boba Fett when it was already explained in Attack of the Clones? And why does Han Solo even need one to begin with?

A Cad Bane spinoff movie would be more worth it. It would introduce the character to the people that haven't watched The Clone Wars and, furthermore, give him more screentime. Plus, how many movies out there have a Villain Protagonist? Having him as the main character would easily distinguish it from not just other films, but the rest of the Star Wars films as well.

 

Those weak, pathetic Jedi would still be mightily useful in the Rebellion, incidentally the place were one would find them if they were alive. But Luke never meets up with any Jedi besides Obi-Wan and Yoda.

 

I think the sequel will be about one of Han & Leia children or maybe about one if they only have one I am curious if they have Luke with anyone though and if he has a child

 

If a character's position can be wrong, then why can't any exposition they give be wrong?

Heck, it's not even about being wrong. It's about expecting every line of dialogue to be 100% literal. If a character said "it's raining cats and dogs out there", then we shouldn't take it as a fact that precipitation on Coruscant is small household pets and not water.

The intention of Yoda's line is to show that Luke is effectively the last of the Jedi. There are no other Jedi out there actively confronting the Empire, so it doesn't really make a difference if there are any survivors or not. Regardless of whether any former Jedi are alive or not, the intent of the scene is the same.

Like Obi-Wan Kenobi, I don't like absolutes. They're at odds with realism, and there's no need to have them if they don't interfere with dramatic intent. So if a stormtrooper says "we searched every home on Tatooine", I have no qualms with them searching lots of homes, all the obvious homes, every home officially registered with the planetary government, and yet still having missed some small, hidden homes in the remote regions.

As soon as Episode VII hits, the importance of the EU will drop dramatically. With one film a year, the books, TV shows etc are no longer going to be the main vessel for exploring the Star Wars universe.