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CT Why is Return Of The Jedi considered the weakest of the originals?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Feelicks, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    No, his success raised his arrogance and caused his downfall. It's quite reasonable.
     
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  2. Porkins4Ever

    Porkins4Ever Jedi Master

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    Watching Jedi with a critic's eye, I can see why it is considered the weakest entry of the OT. Rehashed attack on the Death Star plot, Rehashed locales, Dagobah, Tatooine.....it just doesn't seem as fresh, original or immediate as the first two. However, this is always my favorite one to pop in and watch on a rainy day (or a sunny one....it doesn't really matter..). I would watch the last 20-30 minutes of Jedi over any other 20-30 minutes of of the whole saga..... Pure magic.....

    I also love the entire Jabba sequence, i always found the rescue of Han to be another awesome 30 minutes.....
     
  3. TOSCHESTATION

    TOSCHESTATION Jedi Master star 4

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    The only explanation that works for me is that Luke = weakness for both Vader and the Emperor.
     
  4. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

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    I like ROTJ a lot. It's #2 on my list behind ESB.
     
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  5. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Master star 4

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    It's a good movie in general but compared to the original Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back it sucks because:

    it rehashed Tattooine instead of using the opportunity to introduce a new world
    it rehashed Luke and Leia's swinging scene
    it rehashed the Death Star
    it turned Boba Fett into a waste of a character
    Ewoks

    regardless of these issues, it is still better than Revenge Of the Sith and a MILLION times better than the other two prequels.
     
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  6. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    No, Luke is not the weakness of the Emperor, arrogance and overconfidence is, he didn't misjudge Luke much, Vader was the one he truly misjudged.
     
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  7. Mr. Forest

    Mr. Forest Chosen One star 6

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    Exactly, although Luke did help Vader to become Anakin again. Luke was right, Palpatine's overconfidence was his weakness.
     
  8. Charlie512

    Charlie512 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Ewoks taking down the Imperials was lame. The Empire just genuinely being ineffective was lame as hell.

    It just seemed to lack content. ESB was filled up with Yoda and all his wisdom. ANH felt like a non-stop adventure but still had a bit of content.

    RotJ felt kind of empty with Yoda and Ben dead. The Vader vs Luke duel was awesome though, and everthing beginning with Vader's turn and after is pure cinematic gold.

    2nd favorite after ESB.
     
  9. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

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    I picked the knife up during the first two lines and put it down after the last two. ;)
     
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  10. TOSCHESTATION

    TOSCHESTATION Jedi Master star 4

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    [face_laugh];)
     
  11. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Its competition is the original Star Wars and the best Star Wars. Pretty stiff opposition...
     
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  12. TOSCHESTATION

    TOSCHESTATION Jedi Master star 4

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    You're just talking about the first film/ANH by itself there, right? No need to be redundant..... ;)
     
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  13. Charlie512

    Charlie512 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    [​IMG]
     
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  14. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As soon as I posted that I knew someone would respond like that! Personally, whether I'm being redundant or not depends on my mood...
     
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  15. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Master star 3

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    I am irrationally nostalgic for anything OT. You can bash the PT to hell and back, but be careful on the OT.

    I'm just kidding. I don't really care. Well, I do a little, I guess. Not so much to stab you, but I might pull your arms out of their sockets. Crazy OT enthusiasts are known to do that.
     
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  16. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    No, only competition it has is ESB, ANH was voted out a long time ago ;)
     
  17. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It can never be voted out as the original, my friend.
     
  18. StarWars2015

    StarWars2015 Jedi Knight star 2

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    the framework was in place to make ROTJ the greatest movie ever but it suffered due to lazy writing, a yes Mr. Lucas director, & a lack of modern tech which would have enabled them to feature the final battle above the Wookie homeworld instead of Endor sparing us the ewoks.......still it had moments of greatness that live in cinema history !!
     
  19. TOSCHESTATION

    TOSCHESTATION Jedi Master star 4

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    [face_shame_on_you]

    "I'll take "Movies from 1977 that were nominated for Best Picture", Alex!!!" - :p;)
     
  20. Sistros

    Sistros Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    eh I like ROTJ,

    it introduced the frickin Emperor

    and before anyone says the old woman with monkey pasted eyes was the emperor"

    I'd just like to say,

    no.
     
  21. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The ROTJ Emperor was definitely the whole package.
     
  22. Sistros

    Sistros Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    exactly right,

    there is only one Emperor

    Ian McDiarmid ;)
     
  23. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Palpatine wasn't bad in ROTS, but I can't think of a single flaw in ROTJ. In ROTS he did the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis and his little speech to Vader to destroy the Jedi on Coruscant were both good but his appearance in ROTS seemed fake compared to ROTJ and his cackling did get annoying.
     
  24. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    PT Palpatine is more interesting than the OT one.
     
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  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    PT Palpatine fleshed out the character but OT Palpatine was better overall.