ST Who's The Baddie?

Right, so he should be the most discussed candidate here in the villians thread.

 

I couldn't remember which thread was which, I probably watch the two threads more than any other.
I'm happy they are now combined.

 

No! Now I don't wanna talk about Plagueis!

 

It would make the most sense to concede that he did indeed die, but was able to achieve a level of manipulation of his spirit to where he was aware of everything, then possibly some events in Episode 7 lead to him becoming of the flesh again. As in, he had no control over when he would reappear.

 

As I've said before, Plagueis being the villain is by far the most logical choice. Therefore it probably won't happen.

 

The most logical of the ones that already exist, yes.

 

Plus, I'm pretty sure the redeemed Anakin would have warned Luke at the ending of RotJ that he had a secret apprentice running around out there. Heck, he wouldn't even have to warn him at the end of the movie, he could have told him later on as a Force ghost.

 

Plus I don't think a Secret Apprentice would wait several decades to get revenge.

 

How about one that was carbon frozen?

 

Meh. That could work but been used already. Han in ESB, Anakin, Ashoka, Obi-Wan and the Clones in the Citadel arc, the Jedi and whoever else in FOTJ so no.

 

He was possibly severely injured when Vader discarded him and had to heal for all these years (therefore, Vader would mistakenly assume he was dead and not warn Luke about him).

There's no way around explaining "what a villain did for decades" if it is supposed to be a villain with ties to the known Star Wars past. You'd need to explain what Plagueis did as well.

 

That would actually work for Plagueis too - "He was possibly severely injured when Sidious discarded him and had to heal for all these years" (therefore, Sidious would mistakenly assume he was dead and not warn anyone about him).

Hell, even in the book he hides and heals for 10 years. And, after being "killed" with a massive dose of the dark side, maybe healing for 30 years isn't that much of a stretch?

 

More like healing for 60-70 years.

But yes, most explanations work for Plagueis as well (except for the Carbonide).

 

you are indeed correct, it would be a fair bit longer than 30 years - my bad

 

In the case of Plagueis, the whole idea would be that he was in a state of death (for lack of a better term), knowing that he had a way of returning, in order to escape the Chosen One prophecy. Plagueis would have a motive for being out of the limelight during the era of Episodes I-VI, because he perhaps saw what was going to happen when Anakin came onto the scene, so decided to get the heck out of dodge by letting Sidious "kill" him. This could all be easily covered with some expository dialogue with Plagueis himself. The only question would be when his resurrection occured. If he is indeed the villain of the ST, did he revive as soon as the Chosen One was dead (and has been waiting in the shadows, building up forces for a surprise attack), or sometime after, perhaps in Episode VII itself?

 

That explanation sounds like he was afraid of Vader and Palps. Not the best method to make your villain seem threatening, imo.

 

Sort of like Lestat, eh?

 

Well if your opposition is going to kill you, why stick around? Why not lure them into a false sense of security that the Sith threat was over and then have Plagueis come back?

 

I suppose the comparison is there...

If (and that's a big IF) he turns out to be the main protagonist, I prefer the view he's been healing and training new apprentices (yes, plural - see my other posts ). 30 years of healing and planning, followed by 30 years of training his new force adept team? Not that he's scared of Sidious or Vader (It would be foolhardy for just one Sith to go against the entire Empire. This is the same group that wiped out the entire Jedi order, remember).

Really though, I think the key word here is... IF.

 

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Hadn't considered that as a possibility. Perhaps his spirit could appear to a susceptible Jedi and that Jedi then, whether knowingly or unwittingly, provides some sort of mechanism by which Plagueis can assume a physical form.

 

*shrug*
Hiding for sixty years seems boring. But maybe he used the time for research? I guess it's possible.

 

He could have been helping the Rebellion.

 

Providing the Rebellion with much needed finances

 

Could the next bad guy be a creation of Plagueis?

When Palpatine is telling Anakin The tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, he starts by saying "...he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life".
My question is, wasn't it actually the Force itself that created Anakin? Could Palpatine be referring to another life or lives, or is this just a technicality?

If we're looking at EP-7 starting 30-40 years after RotJ, that would make the casting call for someone 70-ish, a prime canidate for a life Plagueis could have created. Correct?

 

Possible... and that life may not technically be "Sith", either, even if he does have Force powers, so the PT's prophecy might still work. A better idea than the baddie being Plagueis himself.