Lit Shouldnt the Cloned Palpatine have recruited Grand Admiral Thrawn?

I think that this was a major mistake of the Emperor Reborn, the Cloned Emperor Palpatine, basically not contacting Grand Admiral Thrawn through his network of contacts and ordering him to come to Byss with The Chimera, maybe even taking Joruus C'Baoth along with him, or not in that case, but Palpatine could have benefited if he had recruited Thrawn and given him command of The Eclipse, then let Thrawn return and wage war later on in command of that ship, as opposed to allowing Thrawn to fight a losing battle and be wasted.

Thrawn as the Grand Admiral working with Sedriss or C'Baoth could have executed Operation Shadow Hand and won the war for Palpatine, basically Palpatine wasted Thrawn by not contacting him when he knew that Thrawn was loyal to The Empire and to The Emperor, so many lesser Imperials were contacted and recruited, Thrawn was a great leader, Palpatine could have given him his hyperspace routes to Byss and allowed Thrawn to use his best ships, just a little nitpick.

 

I agree, except that Dark Empire Sourcebook says that Thrawn wanted to overthrow Palpatine.

 

I dont agree with that, but maybe it is possible, no way Palpatine could have known that and even if he did he would control him easily, he dealt with Grand Moff Tarkin despite knowing that he was dangerous, and Jerec certantly was not in the Circle Of Trust that Palpatine had either.

 

I guess Thrawn got too powerful after Endor.

 

The Empire has no tolerance for competence and loyalty.

 

Indeed. All the makers of blasters that work and non-vulnerable exhaust ports were killed by Vader.

 

It‘s pretty much the only way to fix it, as it is one of the countless aspects that only really makes sense if Dark Empire was set a few weeks after Endor, like it was originally intended.

 

Would Thrawn have gone along with the Emperor's whole 'make myself god-emperor and drain the galaxy of life to fuel my power' plan though? I'd figure Thrawn would hear that, nod his head, then take his forces and every other sane Imperial and join the New Republic rather than join that plan.

I figured Palpatine let Thrawn fail so he wouldn't have a charismatic Imperial commander who could challenge him on his insanity.

 

Why would Palpatine suddenly start telling his secular flunkies about his endgame? He never did before.

 

If Thrawn was still around, he probably could have held the Empire together and avoided the massive civil war the Emperor wanted to weed out all the weak followers, messing with Palpatine's plans.

 

I'm not convinced that Thrawn wasn't in on the plan. While he accomplished great things for the Empire, he appears to have done so with only a fraction of the Empire's resources. At no point do we hear mention of Thrawn using anything larger than an Imperial-class in his campaigns. We later see that a great many superships had joined the Emperor over Byss. Thrawn also attacked entirely from the Rimward systems, causing the Republic to turn their back on the Imperial Deep Core.

So, picture it this way, if everything had gone according to plan.: The Republic military, knowing defeat after defeat, is pushed back to Coruscant's doorstep. Their best commander has either been discredited and retired, leaving the military divided and in the hands of a politicking incompetent. Paranoia and panic set in as the government is apparently riddled with mysterious Delta Source spies and Noghri agents strike at the upper echelons of the Republic's leadership. As the final battle appears nigh, a fleet of superships springs from the Deep Core, commanded either by the Reborn Emperor or an apparently converted Luke Skywalker. It is entirely possible that the Republic would have immediately collapsed in the face of such horror, and the wave of despair born from it would have furthered the Emperor's plans of pitching the galaxy into darkness.

 

In The Essential Guide to Warfare, we see a revisionist Imperial account of the events of The Thrawn Trilogy + Dark Empire- their view is that it was indeed the Palpatine Clone that called Thrawn back from the Unknown Regions, and that Thrawn was acting under Palpatine's orders during the period.

Doesn't really fit with Thrawn's "I rule the Empire, not some long-dead Emperor" speech in Dark Force Rising though.

 

Thrawn could had figured it out.

 

In Dark Empire it's stated that Palpatine did not help Thrawn and allowed him to be defeated because of petty jealousy. He wanted to be the mastermind behind the success of the Empire rather than Thrawn.

 

Since Thrawn only cared about the Vong i could see him trying to kill Palpatine if he knew he existed.

 

He never did before.

The Dark Empire wasn't some "plan B" Palpatine settled on in the wake of his death. He started working towards it long before Endor.

 

And Palpatine was careful to never let Thrawn see his drawings.

I don't think Thrawn ever knew about the clone bodies, nor of the "I'll destroy the galaxy to make myself the god" -plan. I have not read all of the Thrawn-material, but I have a feeling that he would be more likely to rebel than to join the Dark Empire if he found out about the endgame.

 

Just because we did not see him figure it out...

 

Why would Palpatine need to? Thrawn was already fighting the New Republic on his own, keeping it busy and rolling it back while Palpatine mustered his forces. What would Palpatine get out of calling Thrawn back early? One genius commander who wouldn't have played well with the new look of Palpatine's Empire? Palpatine doesn't need bigshot commanders. He doesn't need Thrawn sitting around on Byss. Thrawn out expanding Imperial power in the Unknown Regions and then beating up on the New Republic is doing as much good for Palpatine as he could ever do, really.

 

If Palpatine had given Thrawn all those Star Dreadnoughts and similar ships, which had disappeared and gone to Byss shortly before the events of the Thrawn trilogy- maybe Thrawn would have done even better- and not needed to scrape around for ships- attempting to raid Sluis Van for warships that had been converted to transports, and hunting down the Katana Fleet.

 

We should remember that the Reborn Emperor was completely insane. Looking for the logic behind his actions will net, at best, a partial explanation.

Why didn't he help Thrawn: probably because he felt it was irrelevant. Until his supply of clone bodies and equipment was destroyed, Palpatine felt completely invincible, he wasn't even entertaining the possibility of failure (and given the superweapons in his possession, he kind of had a point).

Thrawn, ultimately, attempted to save the Empire through an innovative, but otherwise conventionally military solution. By Dark Empire Palpatine had long since abandoned conventional military ideas, treating even assets as massive as the Eclipse-class as mere extensions of his will.

 

I am pretty certain Thrawn knew about the Cloneperor.. I mean, he raided Mount Tantiss early on, one of the emperors prime secret cloning bases. He was not there. Then Thrawn went around the Outer Rim up to Kamino even.. he had all important cloner territory covered. And Thrawn as per Crosscurrent had his own cloning program in the UR experimenting on Forcesensitives.. especially on crazy forcesensitive clones. That alone says enough that he was testing something to use either against Palpatine.. or to study cloning and clonemadness firsthand to somehow use it against Palpatine or predict crazy Palpatineclones actions better by studying similiar crazy clones.

Thrawn KNEW.. he prepared. but ultimately, he failed because Noghri got no art to give him insight into their betrayal!

 

Is it possible that Thrawn would consider the clone Palpatines to be illegitimate Emperors do to their insanity?