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ST Who's The Baddie?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by fishtailsam, Oct 31, 2012.

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  1. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm undecided about that.
    I still feel Maul was a missed opportunity and that Dooku was underused. They could have easily been merged into one character and it would have worked much better.
     
  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    You might find it interesting that I read that at one point during the writing of AOTC, Dooku and Tyranus were intended to be separate characters.
     
  3. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I never had a problem with Maul being killed in the first film because I think it's important for Obi-Wan to overcome his master's killer. However, I totally agree with you about Dooku being underused and I really wish he could have been given more screen time.
     
  4. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR

    DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Force Ghost star 5

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    I say good luck to Arndt. I'm sure there'll be people that'll bitch and moan for sure.
     
  5. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I want to add that based on the logic that all darksiders are Sith, all darksiders/Sith follow the Rule of Two.
     
  6. NoChesterHester

    NoChesterHester Jedi Master star 1

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    Dooku, Sidious, and Ventress. Three concurrent dark side users.
     
  7. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Ventress is NOT a Sith.
     
  8. Fleab88

    Fleab88 Jedi Master star 4

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    She also is not in the films. I would be hesitant to use her as an example.
     
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  9. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR

    DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Force Ghost star 5

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    Like what we had in the PT? Problem is, there was a lot of people who hated that arrangement, no?
     
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  10. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The main villain of the PT Darth Sidious wasn't seen all that often. He was in the background for all of AOTC until the end. If we have a main villain for the ST whoever it is needs to be as prominent as Vader was in the OT and not like Darth Sidious in the PT. In the OT we had Tarkin and Vader. In ESB we had Fett and Vader, in ROTJ we had Jabba, Vader and Palpatine. That worked.
     
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  11. Blip

    Blip Jedi Master star 1

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    She was however in TCW, so apparently Lucas had no reservations about such a character.
     
  12. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR

    DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Force Ghost star 5

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    I get the feeling that Lucas was setting up a possible ST storyline during the TCW production, and so that being said, it's possible that we'll being seeing the likes of Rotta the Hutt, bounty hunter Cad Bane, space pirate Hondo Ohnaka, and maybe even Asajj Ventress and Darth Maul, too. If the're still alive, that is, and especially if they aren't rid of in the last season of the Clone Wars. None of these characters are human, so it's possible they could still be young of age.
     
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  13. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I didn't since it was pretty much the exact same thing the OT gave us. In ANH we had Tarkin as the prominent villain until he's killed off then Darth Vader is the main villain in ESB then the Emperor takes over in ROTJ. Of course in the OT we have Vader as an overarching villain throughout but in the PT we also have Darth Sidious/Palpatine so I really don't see much of a difference.
     
  14. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Sidious is an overarching villain in both trilogies, actually.
     
  15. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I know that. What I'm saying is that if you look at the trilogies separately you have Vader as an overarching villain in the OT and Sidious/Palpatine as an overarching villain in the PT. They serve similar purposes in their respective trilogies because they motivate the heroes into action.
     
  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    If you look at the OT by itself, Sidious is still an overarching villain. I feel like your posts are implying otherwise.
     
  17. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Palpatine was only seen in person in ROTJ. Vader was the big bad guy we saw for the whole trilogy.
     
  18. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    He gets mentioned in ANH and is in one scene in ESB so there is set up for his appearance in ROTJ but it's about the same amount of set up Jabba the Hutt gets and I don't consider Jabba the main overarching villain. I think it really takes the PT to see Palpatine as the overall villain he has become but that's only my opinion. Agree to disaree.
     
  19. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Except that:
    1. He's Vader's master (although I'll admit that ANH never states that).
    2. He's the Emperor of the evil Empire.
     
  20. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    All he did in ESB was deliver a message. Palpatine might have been the villain of the Saga but of the OT by itself I would have to say Vader. I prefer overt villains to villains that do stuff behind the scenes. Vader led the battle on the Tantive 4, the first Death Star, led the hunt for the Rebels etc. That's my problem with Sidious in the PT. We only see him in person once in TPM and in AOTC. He was good and all in the hologram in TPM but we didn't see him in AOTC until the end of the movie. Instead we got Maul, Dooku, Fett and the Trade Federation. They do not compare to Vader at all.
     
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  21. vypernight

    vypernight Jedi Master star 3

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    Didn't Lucas say years ago that one idea was that a minor character in the PT with a larger role in the OT would be the main villain in the ST? I wonder how much of that will be followed if any of it. As far as I can tell, the only two that survived both trilogies are R2D2 and C3P0, so unless one of them is hiding something . . .
     
  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    No. He talked about a hero from ROTJ and it got misinterpreted to refer to a villain from ROTS.
     
  23. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    What's the actual quote?
     
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  24. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    "It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures."
     
  25. vypernight

    vypernight Jedi Master star 3

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    Oh okay.

    I'm still predicting Thrawn will be the villain in Ep 7, even as just a one-shot villain, to bring in EU fans.
     
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