Discussion Does anyone think Darth Vader will *not* be in Episode VII?

What about some other version of Vader? Someone using a similar mask, or a cult, or in some other way (dreams/visions)?

 

Hm, he fell into a bottomless chasm and exploded into energy when he hit the reactor core. That's pretty dead if you ask me.

 

No no no, don't be silly Darth_Pevra, if they didn't die on screen, then they didn't die - it's obvious! So using that train of thought, I can categorically say Darth Vader will not be in EPVII, and the main villain to replace him will be Sebulba as he didn't die on screen

 

We need McCoy in Star Wars so that he can tell the audience "he's dead, Jim". No more confusion.

 

Maybe we will with J.J. at the helm

 

I think Tarkin is coming back! I don't know why.

Seriously, I like how Lucas showed how Vader was the only survivor in the Battle of Yavin...no doubts he was coming back.

 

Vader won't be resurrected. The only way he can be is if Anakin is cloned and then turned to evil again. Besides, Palpatine has already been stopped.

But to your disagreement point, I think a ghost of a Sith via "cheating death" would be fine. I just don't think a Sith getting killed (like Maul or Dooku) makes them an evil ghost. As far as I'm concerned, Plagueis is the only one who has found a way to the afterlife after leading a life of evil.

 

They will use the blue light as the reason he survived if he ever came back or if he wasn't lying about Plagueis' power to bring people back from the dead he might be able to somehow keep his consciousness alive but have to inhabit someone else.

 

Theoretically you can do anything, even bring back Jabba. But it would basically be cheating the audience and that is a very dangerous course of action. A lot of fans are still pissed off about Mauls return in a kid tv show.

 

"Inter dimensional beings"..."the space between spaces". - Dr. Oxley.
I hope we get a "newish" villain, with some harkening back to OT villains.
I like the idea of force resistance, but not from Vong, as I don't think our Oscar Award winning writing team would lower themselves to whomever wrote that, but crystals or some such plot device that would render our heroes impotent, not unlike Superman. That could be fun.

 

Maul coming back in the Clone Wars was a terrible idea. Ruins Obi-Wan's victory in TPM.
Palpatine was a master of the Dark Side. I can see him having a plan for pretty much anything.
As Jabba was not force-sensitive he does not have that advantage of possibly surviving getting blown up.

 

If he was omniscient then how come the Empire lost at Endor and he got thrown into the shaft?

The line about Jabba was not serious.

 

Agreed with Maul.
Sidious, I would rather not, but it depends on the story. If there is Netherworld or undead, definitely possible.
Doppelgänger/zombie Vader dueling Force Ghost Anakin for the soul of the Galaxy, might be interesting psychologically.
When I read the last one it sounds like the worst kind over the top trope, but I wouldn't put that past Lucas.

 

Who can tell with Palpatine? Maybe he didn't know he was going to die there but had a back-up plan regardless that would allow him to survive death.

 

Given the apparent speed he was receding, and the length of time between the start of the fall and the explosion, he wasn't all that far down- more likely to have just reached the bottom of the tower- maybe he hit a girder.

 

Agreed. That is annoying.

My apologies then, for the misunderstanding. I didn't realize, without the benefit of a direct reply to the OP, that you were aiming your criticisms to something specific.

Now, back to the boards full of empty news.

 

My thoughts exactly...Luke will wear the suit. Makes that scene of Dagobah make a little more sense...his future, he saw.

 

Evil Luke? That's just as bad as ressurected Vader.

 

Well, I'm almost thinking that it's one of those crazy cliffhanger moments. Luke is in the movie as himself throughout the movie, as well as Vader is. But just before the movie ends, we see Vader take the mask off to reveal it was Luke this whole time. Would make the next two years before EPVIII feel like the feeling we had between V and VI. Remember, this movie sets up a very dense, perhaps really dark second act. I would imagine redemption would be a clear subject in the ST...

However...there is a very large part of me that speculates that Hamill, Ford and Fisher will be minor cameos, maybe 2 -3 minutes of screentime-type-of- thing.

I'm excited either way...no matter what happens, it's more Star Wars...I just can't help to want to talk about it!

 

But Luke is the redeemer, not the redeemed!

 

All good points, I totally agree with you...but it would be a twist that mainstream audiences would not see coming. These movies are not for us (the die hards) they're going to be for the masses and casual fans. They (Disney) already know they have our dollars, but I don't need to explain all that boring stuff to you...I just think it's fun to think outside of the box a little and speculate what might happen. I just can't wait to see new Star Wars movies..