Senate Christianity Discussion Thread

Can you provide a scholarly, accredited, trustworthy source that you have, from a reliable physical book or journal article, that can back up your claims or not? You keep telling me to use Google, but the Internet is not always trustworthy.

 

Less trustworthy than an ancient book of fables? Riiiight.

 

If you are not willing to provide or simply can't provide (because you don't have one) a trustworthy, scholarly source from someone who has studied this in depth and has a reasonable explanation for these supposed relationships, then why should I believe you? You keep demanding that I provide scientific sources for my assertions, because only science has the answers, but when I ask you to do the same, you try to dodge my requests.

 

I'm not making any scientific claims here, so no accredited journal is required.

But since you're so lazy:

Horus Attis Krishna Dionysus Mithra Gilgamesh

 

Believe it or not, I've often asked the same question, and I was going to include it in my post, but I got sidetracked. It's an intriguing question, and when I meet God face to face, I want to ask Him where He came from. I'll try to get back to you with the answer.

Like I said before, I believe in miracles. By definition, a miracle is unscientific. So science will never explain a miracle.

That story is certainly true. JOel Osteen has nothing to do with it; I don't listen to him. The father and the friend with the envelope are both good friends of mine with no reason to make things up. $10 for a pizza, sure; you tip the delivery guy, right? And he's not the kind of person who normally orders pizza without knowing how to pay for it. I take the fact that he did to be another indication God was at work. I'm not putting this out as "Guaranteed Proof Gawd iz Reel!" I'm saying I've seen enough things like this to make me believe there is more to life than what we see.

I"ll be back soon with some questions on zero point energy...

 

Lowbacca_1977, thanks for the universal expansion/contraction review; I haven't looked at stuff like that in a while. That was a good memory refresher.

So here's my question about zero point energy. I get the idea that energy and matter, particles and anti-particles, are switching back and forth and maintaining a net of zero in the energy/matter equation. Why are they going back and forth? How did that cycle get started? I wouldn't expect there to be any disturbance to start the process. And it seems counter to the principle of entropy.

 

It's not a cycle. It's random particle generation and annihilation, in the same way that radioactive decay is a random process. So what's happening is that matter (and antimatter) are being generated, then annihilating again basically at random. There's not a cycle in play, it's just that on the very small scale, events don't behave strictly under the rules of cause and effect, but there is also random and spontaneous events occurring.

 

obviously it's because the 'rules of cause and effect' were created by FLAWED and SINFUL human beings! god rules science drools THERE

 

Actually science does explain miracles. It explains them away and untrue.

 

Yep. Just because no explanation exists for a given phenomenon doesn't mean one can't be found eventually. Things that have been classified as miracles in the past can easily be explained by our current understanding of science.

 

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A truly loving god would not punish folks simply for not believing in him. And a truly just god would provide concrete evidence of his existence in order to convince all skeptics.

Therefore, I can only conclude that your god is neither loving nor just.

 

it's a bit presumptious of god to think that people would even want to believe, or worship him anyway. even if there was concrete evidence of his existence, i wouldn't want to worship him given the attrocities he's committed over the years. he also comes across as a bit needy which isn't particularly appealing.

 

Now you're just stalling.

Not sure if serious, or just trolling.

 

I wonder if he ever turns water into beer?

 

OK, Jesus, make it 18% ABV mead and you've got a deal.

 

I have friends who brew their own mead. It usually comes out about 30 proof. And smoooooth!

 

This is either a good lesson about blind faith or proof of the existence of Poseidon!

 

memebase.com

 

Yes, Jesus appears to be nothing more than a remake, remix or rehash of earlier myths. A not insignificant number of scholars doubt that he ever existed in the first place.