Full Series Official "The Clone Wars" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

She's taller than Savage, and he is taller than everyone else. Not to mention the way she towers over every other Nightsister.

For what it's worth (I can't believe their 1m89, or 6'2 and a half, height for Savage), StarWars.com has her height at 2m23 (just shy of 7'4 feet). That's very tall, especially when, again, you compare her to the other Nighsisters. Sure, her forehead is weirdly big, but still...

 

Was that supposed to show that Mina was wrong about the CIS and the Republic?

 

What if it was the Republic that took out Mina and Lux just doesn't know?

 

As much as I'd like to agree with you for my personal canon, as far as the portrayal of the episodes to viewer goes it is left highly ambiguous and open to a wide array of legitimate interpretations. It could have just been a split-second Force-vision.

 

That's true. But it does not deny its importance.

 

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more the very concept of the force just bothers me. Star Wars is 98% Sci-Fi and 2% Fantasy and the concept of the Force being this big magical thing just totally conflicts with everything else.

The Force has always been real, we know that. but the degree to how real/powerful it is is where the confusion comes in. Now I've always been a afan of the explanation of Midichlorians because wouldn't it be easy to say that the Jedi are just skilled psychics over making this a genuine religious type deal? Mortis seems to throw that for a loop and I'm okay with that too. But you can't have both interpretations just lying around.

Is the Force truly the threads holding the Universe together or is it just something that the Jedi are able to tap into? Enough with the ambiguity, and enough with the mystery, it's not making the story any better for me, it's making it more tedious.

 

Why can't the force be both? Strings holding the universe together. That mysterious dark matter stuff. The strands of time. The well of life. Some folks are just born better able to tap into qi energy and with training use it. Thus we get mystic warriors like Jedi Knights. Its easy to me to see how something like that can come to be viewed with worship, superstition, or prophecies of destiny. That's how real life people tend to deal with stuff they can't explain. Hell, you might even be able to say its good luck vs bad luck.

 

I'd strongly disagree about Star Wars being 98% sci-fi and 2% fantasy. The style is from the John Carter of Mars and Flash Gordon school of adventure stories that happen in a futuristic science-fiction environment, but with a longer story arc made of elements adopted from fantasy/mythology. So I'd say it's a lot more action/adventure/fantasy than science-fiction. There are no moral ambiguities to be explored about a space station called the Death Star that a Galactic Empire uses to blow up planets.

 

Loads of ways it could be done. Palpatine could just send a captured CIS ship, or a ship type common to both sides painted up in CIS markings and broadcasting a fake CIS IFF, to conduct a lightning raid on some planetary installation where Mina was known to be at. Pop out of hyperspace, charge into orbit, a few turbolaser blasts of orbital bombardment, break orbit, hyperspace... the ground facility / city is now a glass parking lot and Mina Bonteri is dead. But sensor data from the facility clearly showing the ship and its IFF transponder freq got out over a tight beam telemetry uplink before it was destroyed, and somehow made its way into the sphere of knowledge of Lux.

 

I wouldn t say SW is 92% sci fi either. It's more space romance and fantasy imho than really hardcore sci fi.

 

At the end of the day I just look at the spaceships, aliens and laser guns. I see far more Sci-Fi than anything else.

 

Those sci-fi elements are essentially window-dressing for what is fundamentally a fantasy story, at least that's how I view it.

 

It's hard to say Star Wars is 98% science fiction when there's like 0% science in it. George Lucas literally has no idea how a Star Destroyer, Death Star, or lightsaber actually works and he doesn't care. There are no scenes where Geordie pops up and says something about anti-matter fusion plasma relay conduits. The closest thing I can come up with off the top of my head is Han's "Alluvial dampers? No, that's not it, give me the hydrospanner!" which is actually played for laughs.

So he doesn't like the science part of science fiction, he likes the fantastic, surreal aspects, aka fantasy.

Or, as unlikely as it seems, in a surprise twist Dooku was actually telling the truth and legitimate Republic forces really did kill Mina Bonteri.

 

That's what I meant.

 

That's exactly what I think. Like it's definitely fantasy with sci-fi elements thrown in like the Final Fantasy series. (Which I think takes a lot of inspiration from Star Wars)

 

Yeah, I like the variety of Star Wars, the sci-fi-influenced setting and mythical stuff. I'm definitely more into the story and the Jedi stuff than the ships and guns and other "sci-fi elements" though. And I like the Force, it's open to interpretation; and IMO the films made the point of portraying it as something special and mysterious.

 

One of the strengths of SW as a franchise for me is that it can touch upon such a wide variety of genres. There's comedy, fantasy, sci-fi, western, action-adventure, war films, romance, political, horror... it's all aspects of this one universe - the SW universe.

So while I enjoy having stories about the Jedi, I also like to experience the grimier underworld of the universe from a smuggler's point-of-view. In fact, one of the biggest problems SW can go through is when it tells too many of the same type of story in too short a timespan.

 

So i finished season 4 now. Although the first half of the season was good it was shaping up to be my least favorite season, well until i got to the second half of season 4 and it was just episode after episode of awesome!

"A Friend In Need" has to be one of my favorite single story episodes and it doesn't even feature any of the main characters beside Ahsoka and R2. I LOVED the winter scenery on Carlac. It's really beautiful and the animation was amazing. Seeing the Mandalorians flying over the planet was a joy, the awesome battle and i loved what R2 did with the droids. and of course Pre Vizsla! Love that guys Darksaber.

The 4 part Rako Hardeen arc is one of my favorite multipart stories. I loved how Obi-Wan went under cover and being "the bad guy". The Box episode was a lot of fun and of course Cad Bane. I think i'm a bit obsessed with him now! Nice nod to Indy when he picks up the Fedora and inspects it

"Massacre" is another very strong episode (notice how i'm running out of words to describe awesome!). The Nightsisters are one of the best and most original things to come out of this show and the battle was epic. I loved seeing Grievous cut apart the undead. I even felt sorry for Ventress!

"Bounty" again was awesome. If you've ever seen Firefly you can see this episode was inspired by "The Train Job". Oh and DENGAR!! Was fun seeing Boba, Bossk and Denger together. If only we could have seen 4-LOM, Zuckuss and IG-88. Maybe something we'll see in Rebels.

The Darth Maul episodes were good but unlike the rest of the episodes i had a few problems with but i loved seeing Obi-Wan using a red lightsabre and then when he retreats he tells Ventress he learned from her

I don't know what i'm going to do when i run out of episodes. Probably start all over again. This show is one of the best i've ever seen, it's now up there with my favorite live action shows!

 

BOBA-FETT-82 I'm getting psyched all over again just reading about you watching S4 for the first time! It has a slow start with the water and droid episodes but once you hit the General Krell arc it really takes off. I remember being floored when I saw some of the insanely epic Force-powers used for the first time in Massacre. The Rako Hardeen arc is also a personal favorite but honestly I feel The Box doesn't match up to the other three episodes since it has virtually no plot development. If you liked the S4 Darth Maul episodes, just wait for S5!

And one thing I can say about this show probably more than any other is that you don't need to worry about running out of episodes. There's so much packed into nearly all of them - even the ones I think are mediocre - that I've watched the whole series several times through and still enjoy the series just as much. Some parts of it improve as you rewatch it because you start to connect larger character arcs together, both within the show and for the larger Star Wars saga.

 

I'm glad i got you psyched!!

I have to say though i haven't been enjoying Season 5 as much as i had hoped. It's not bad but the multi arc episodes drag out too long. I'm on the Droids arc now and Colonel Gascon is really starting to annoy me. Also i can't even remeber the last time we saw Padme? Only a few episodes left now

 

We're here for you bro. If you can get through that you'll be rewarded with a kickass Mandalore arc.