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Books Death Star Owner's Technical Manual: Imperial DS-1 Orbital Battle Station

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Barriss_Coffee, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Reading that Eye of Palpatine section just reminds me how dumb the overall idea of that is. I though it was dumb when COTJ came out, and while I appreciate the backstory here alluding to a longer Jedi purge as well as fear over the continuing power of the Senate (something which I think definitely gets forgotten lately - after all, from ANH the Senate is supposed to remain a powerful body up until it's dissolved) trying to fit it into the post-prequel history of the early Empire just makes it even dumber, IMO.
     
  2. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    For what it is worth, I have always been surprised Lucas never fixed that in the Special Edition. Seems like a pretty easy & obvious thing to repair.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  3. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    so there is the second one! always thought it should be the second one in fact ;)
     
  4. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    You know there was no proof there was a second one, the characters were just assuming based upon the psychology of Palpatine... :p
     
  5. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    always two there are :p
     
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  6. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Why the change back to the 120 km figure?
     
  7. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  8. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Because constant changes renders these guides the validity of fan fiction?
     
  9. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah, why alternate information? Maybe to ensure consistency with the films, which the majority of sources don't?
     
  10. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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  11. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Numbers are dangerous.. we all love them but we live with the risk of loosing them. At least now we know a Superstardestroyer is exactly 3 million clones long! (do not do the calculations, I tried.. it does not add up :p).

    As for the Death Star... if it is a Silentium or Abominor it can grow and shrink you know... wouldn't it be sweet if Palpatine tried to grow his own super-Abominor to prepare for the coming of the Yuuzhan Vong... it would even make more sense for IG88 to attempt taking over the second Death Star if it was a droidbody to begin with... given the Wheel having supercomputers and droids guiding it, the Death Stars sure needed something equally powerful and independant.
     
  12. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Death Stars were built with von Neumann machines (ITW OT). It's theoretically possible they could change their dimensions like the World Devastators. And any and all machine/ship designs for that matter, since the Empire has that technology. :p
     
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  13. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Death Stars included Word Devastator-facilities... eating the blown up planets and churning out stuff... *mind blown*
     
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  14. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Though you still have to wonder why Jerjerrod asks for more men and not more machines in that case. [face_batting] And why Tarkin went scrounging the galaxy for slave labor.
     
  15. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Because if more research uncovers different information they shouldn't retain old information out of a sense of nostalgia?

    Nope, there's one reference to "self-replicating construction droids" in the DS2 section, so that's all that's being created. However, there are also numerous references to human crews supervising, energy replenishment stations for the droids, and building materials being constantly supplied by spaceships.
     
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  16. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I always imagined that the droids would handle most of the labor and slaves were needed for more technical work - it is work noting that two of the Empire's most commonly enslaved species, Wookiees and Mon Calamari, were known for their skill with machines.

    Course, hard to imagine that slaves wouldn't sabotage things or at least be lazy, and the amount of engineers you would need to double check everything would make the slaves redundant.


    Maybe that is why the DS2 got built so much faster.
     
  17. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    I am pretty sure the Empire is rather good at motivation.
     
  18. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Death Star novel had a nice thing there with the exhaust port design and sabotage... its existance nearly could have been averted O:)
     
  19. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Any information is irrelevant. The movies were made 30-35 years ago. You know the Death Star wasn't actually built in real life, and therefore all information is fictional?


    Not out of nostalgia, which I couldn't possibly possess, out of a sense of consistency. Why should I care about any of this info it's just going to change every few years? The constant quibbling of LFL employees over such numbers comes off as incredibly trivial, and as a result these guides come off not as an "official source", but as published fanon, like something from some nerd's amateur website. The entire effort is counterproductive, imo.

    Just pick a number and go with it. I don't care what the number is, it doesn't have to be perfectly accurate, it's fiction. As long as it's not so unreasonable as to be beyond suspension of disbelief, it's all good. If they say the Death Star is 120km or 160km or whatever, that's what it is, regardless of any other information.

    I'd like to buy these guides, I'm a fan and have a few of them, but the constant changes have completely killed my desire to buy any more.

    I guess this is a quirk of obsessed fleet junkies, which is probably why I'm not one.

    The more they quibble over these numbers, the less they matter, which defeats the purpose of coming up with numbers, or any of the inner workings, at all.
     
  20. Bly

    Bly Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Anything in here about General Tagge?
     
  21. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Gosh, really? You don't say. :rolleyes:

    I was referring to new information discovered about the movies, the actual films themselves - like the recent article by Pablo.

    I guess so. Thanks for stopping by.
     
  22. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    That's pretty much Incredible Cross-Sections in general- heavily based on content from an amateur website- since they hired the creator of the website to write it. ;)
     
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  23. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Sadly, I think the building machines weren't part of their complement. Or maybe they were and that explains why the stations are so understaffed, too many von Neumanns. Er, von Neumen. ;)

    Oh snap, I completely forgot this: the new online card game has yet another Death Star prototype included. Vader blows it up once he finds it's been infested with rebels.
    I kid you not.
     
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  24. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well... you know... there's actually a source that...
     
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  25. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    :p
     
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