Senate The 2nd Term of the Obama Administration: Facts, Opinions, and Discussions

I doubt it, likely the opposite will happen.....hence why the GOP is so hell-bent on killing it before the key benefits kick in.

 

J-Rod, claming bigotry is a nice way of tactically retreating without having to sound a retreat. The wounds practically lick themselves. Germany is not the sole indicator of my point; the other countries which have the highest levels of equality we can measure (the Gini coefficient) also rate highly on the human development index, the happiness index... and access to health care. On paper, at least, they are the best countries to live in (I didn't really enjoy Germany that much but I only saw North Rhine-Westphalia when I was there, i.e. not enough to make an informed decision. I hear Berlin's amazing). Conversely, the US sits 39th from the bottom on equality despite higher per capita earnings than most. You have a president who set the bar so high rhetorically that he could only fail to meet the expectation, and who has tried to make the incredibly broken US healthcare system less broken and more inclusive, which cannot be a bad thing. Yet people throw "socialism" around as a criticism as if they understand the term, and shut down the US government in petulant protest against it.

You're on the wrong side of history right now, and I don't know what it'll take to make you see that.

 

Pretty much, in general I think they fear having no creditability on pretty much every major issue by the time Obama's term is up. I mean lets say Obama's last three years run fairly smoothy(economy improvement, no Foreign Policy blunders, the ACA becomes popular etc.), then what exactly will the GOP have to run on in 2016?

 

Well, we will see. A wise man once told me that a man of integrity expects to be believed. And when he isn't he allows time to prove him right. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are all broke. This will be no different.

And Ender, speaking of history, I can't find a single time in history when a nation of 300,000,000 people has had this kind of standard of living. Germany has 80,000,000. And an honest government. Canada has 33,000,000. Australia has 23,000,000. These countries are much more manageable and honest governments. We are losing control of our government. And this law is an example.

 

See my response in the income inequity thread.

 

All of a sudden? At any rate a quick google search showed me that there wasn't many scandals in those countries. Can I be wrong? Sure. But they also have great reputations.

 

People still buy this myth?

 

J-Rod, at no other time in history has there been this level of technology, a lot of which was invented in the US. In terms of our standard of living, a lot of that has to do with the dollar being the reserve currency. America is in danger of losing that status, which is probably the single biggest threat to the future of the country right now.

Peace,

V-03

 

Usually with copious amounts of GOP propaganda and Fox News with a dash of right wing radio on the side.

 

It's not a myth.

Not the .gov in the address.

 

J-Rod

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/

The US rated a score of 73; Australia 85 and Germany 79.

I feel like your argument, which was disprovable using the most famous index of corruption in the world (Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index), needs more work.

 

Huh? Eder, you didn't read my post. I held up those governments as less corrupt than our own. You proved my point for me. Our corruption is starting to show in our economy. And in this horrible law we are discussing.

 

Well actually, no. THat's not what the data shows. For a country of the US' size to sit so close to the smaller nations indicates transparency is high and corruption is relatively low.

 

Yes, but we aren't near as transparent as we used to be. This law was negotiated behind closed doors despite the president's assurances it would be open for all to see. We desperately need term limits. But the point was this: Any nation willing to work and has an honest government will be successful.

 

Really? Because if you look at Ender's link and click on previous years, we're oscillating between 7 and 7.6. I'd hardly call that a significant change.

 

I don't need the report when I see that Obama is refusing to let CSPAN cover the negotiations of the healthcare law.

Hell, even the Huffington Post, no friend of my particular line of thinking, has noticed!

And take a moment to read this!

 

Oh please, this country has been making laws behind close doors since the very beginning........

 

Ok. Ignore the articles.