Amph A Song of Ice and Fire Discussion Thread

Looks like we have Leaf, or close enough. http://winteriscoming.net/2013/11/octavia-alexandrus-role-revealed/

 

Crap, if they burn through all/most of Bran's plot this season they're going to have to start making **** up, and that never turns out well. I was hoping Bloodraven would only appear in visions, but now that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

They could shorten the season too, though I doubt that could happen.

 

Shorten? Ten episodes is short as it is, even for an HBO series.

 

Yep. This is pretty much the beginning of the end. You can only delay some characters plots for so long, Bran having 3 chapters in ADWD is coming back to bite everyone. This is the season that will show how they will differ from the books.

 

Dammit I forgot about HBO episode lengths.

 

When I read the story, some of the comment speculation was that we wouldn't meet the 3-eyed raven or Leaf until the end of the season...also/and/or they could use Bran's weirwood visions as a method to fill in the story gaps given there are no flash backs up until this point. My point I guess is that not all options are doom and gloom, lol.

 

You may be right but I have a feeling it won't be, we already has Bran wandering last season and we can't have another full season considering the terrain of the North isn't that interesting, snow snow more snow. But if this IS true, either way, they're going to have to make stuff up for the next season.

 

Well, if they get Coldhands into the story early, like by the 3rd Bran scene in episode 1, I'll breathe a lot easier.

 

I thought that they were already making stuff up for the past season?

 

Yes. Mostly changes, and mostly bad (see: Talisa).

 

See also: Making Arya a murderer.

 

A common mistake. Murder actually means unjust killing, not the simple act of ending a human life.

 

My worry isn't too much for this season, although I think we're going to see some material really s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d and I suspect that will lead to some disgruntled viewing, at least on my part. (Although, that's nothing new either. see: Talisa)

It's what comes for S5 that has me concerned. Even if GRRM turned in TWOW manuscript tomorrow, it's 6-9 months until publication. I agree we're going to be verging into "made-up" content in a big way about book characters that matter. I'm not going to lie and say that I trust DB and DW to make that work.

 

Alright. Technically, Arya is an accessory to murder before the fact - 3 times over - and a killer.

eta. I should edit that to say 2x, since the third name she gives is Jaqen himself. And isn't the assassination of the man in ADWD murder? It's a premeditated crime.

 

She accidentally stabs a boy when she goes to retrieve Needle right before Ned loses his head (S1). She also kills a Frey soldier after the RW while riding with Sandor.

eta. Is it unjust to murder a Frey?

 

krtmd, all those people she had Jaquen kill deserved to die. She usually never does anything to people otherwise. The show breached this major feature of her behavior by having her viciously kill some infantryman that was present at the Red Wedding. It was really disappointing for me, and just showed how much they don't understand the character.

 

I agree that all the people Arya names to Jaqen are reprehensible, and I certainly cheered their demise. I also agree that the show simplifies the character of Arya and her journey. I'd say DB and DW show their ignorance of almost all the female characters - I'm pretty sure you don't want me to start railing on what they've done to showSansa and showCat. *weeps* I shudder to think what they're going to do with my favorite female character - Brienne - going forward. (And as I feel very emotional towards my favorite characters, I sincerely apologize if I seemed cavalier about Arya. She's a complicated character, and if it's one thing GOT is getting wrong, it's complicated characterization.)

But it is true that Arya becomes an assassin - or at least an apprentice to one. She does murder a man in ADWD, with careful planning and forethought. He may be a bad man - I don't recall if we know why he's been named for death.

 

Actually, they rush published ADWD. It was "Done" April 2011 and it was published in July. So it can be done on short notice if needed.

 

In Westerosi law?

 

"The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword." The only murders Arya is responsible for are the ones she committed herself.

 

Well, that would exonerate Joffrey for taking Ned Stark's head. I'm thinking no-go on that rationale, sorry.

It's an honorable thing Ned lives by, but I'm not sure we should apply it to all killings.