Games The NEW (12th) Jedi Draft!!- Return Of The Revenge Of The Draft (now in progress!)

I recognize those brackets. Good choice of site.

 

I'm still surprised I'm in 5th honestly


That, and my team seems to have a thing for draws.

 

That looks awesome, great job heels1785.

 

Darn it Ferus!!


Anyway, first impressions:

Aryn Leneer vs. Kol Skywalker/Wolf Sazen

Darrus Jeht vs. Ganner Rhysode

(a bit iffy on Ganner, since I don't know much about Jeht)

Shaak Ti vs. Count Dooku

Rahm Kota vs. Zayne Carrick/Celeste Morne

Sarro Xaj/Raskta Lsu vs. Lord Hoth (prep)

Not sure on this one. First glance goes to the Super Trump, but Hoth is from their time period, and likely at least knew of their abilities, considering his rank. Toss in the Prep and the fact that their best feat had Battle Meditation back up, and I think Hoth will give them a hell of a fight. I'll need to do more work before I can say for sure though. I also think this is the deciding match. The rest seem rather cut and dry, but this one, is probably going to decide things.

Revan vs. Jaden Korr

Exile vs. Ferus Olin (lol)

Again...darn it Ferus!!

FORFEIT (Lsu/Xaj) vs. FORFEIT (Sazen/Skywalker) -- DRAW

Gnost Dural (prep) vs. Ulic Qel-Droma

Ven Zallow vs. FORFEIT (Carrick/Morne)


Arguments will be up if needed (and a definite one for Hoth).

 

I guess I'll try an argument for Kota/Trump too. Like you said, most likely a bust but worth a shot I suppose

 

Lord Nyax/Freedon Nadd vs. Arca Jeth/Cay Qel-Droma (!!!)

The opposing trump seems to have better cohesion, and battle meditation. Go with them.

Odion/Darth Andeddu vs. FORFEIT (Jeth/Qel-Droma)

My trump wins this obviously.

Darth Krayt vs. Qui Gon Jinn/Ki-Adi Mundi

Best match for us this round I believe. However Krayt is significantly more skilled and accomplished than Jinn, in fact Krayt (before fully mastering the Dark Side) was close to being a match for a prime Kenobi.

Not much of a fan of ABC logic, but here it is anyway. Krayt>Maul. Maul>Jinn. Kenobi>Krayt. Kenobi>Jinn. Safe to say that evidence suggest that Kenobi>Krayt>Maul>Jinn. Additionally I would suggest that Krayt is > than Jinn by a good margin as well.

The trump does have cohesion, but cohesion obviously doesn't help Jinn much against Sith.

Mundi has never really impressed me much, I put more stock into Jinn here....and I don't believe for one instant that Jinn has the grit needed to take down Krayt, same for Mundi.

Exar Kun vs. Kenth Hamner

Kuntastic Victory!

Darth Traya vs. Quinlan Vos

Up in the air, I put more value on Traya than the judges do it seems. Odds are Voss would win this.

Darth Sidious vs. Vodo Siosk-Baas

FORFEIT (Andeddu/Odion) vs. FORFEIT (Mundi/Jinn) --DRAW

FORFEIT (Nyax/Nadd) vs. Luke Skywalker

I consider this a win for my team, Luke landing on a forfeit is a good thing.

Darth Vitiate (prep) vs. Zekk

Zekk is going to be overwhelmed quickly.

Sora Bulq vs. Valenthyne Farfalla

The little that we know of Farfalla is not all that impressive. He was considered by Raskta Lsu to be a hindrance when he was trying to help her against Bane. Bane for his part seemed to pick Farfalla apart easily, disarming him twice....and that was while Worror's battle meditation was still active.

Bulq for his part is a top notch melee fighter, shown to be a challenge for Mace Windu. His lightsaber form of vapaad is something that Farfalla has no experience with, and is something I believe would be a huge advantage in this fight.

 

Hey! The SW TCG. Memories man, memories.

Arguments forthcoming for Shan v trump and Ventress v Kas'im.

 

Looks like I have some arguing to do.

 

KenKenobi has simultaneously wet himself in glee, and cried himself to sleep. The first because this match is epic, and the second because someone must lose.

 

Satele Shan v Luminara and Offee

Recap of Satele: It's been 40+ years for Satele from when she first fought Vindiciain and Malgus above Korriban (Return trailer- note: she's a padawan at this point) to where we are now in that era. 40 years against the Sith. She served during the Great Galactic War (28 years, 3681 BBY - 3653 BBY), fighting mainly on the front against the Sith forces. This includes her fight in Hope on Alderaan vs Malgus (note: she's a Jedi Knight at this point, not Grandmaster, and she tosses him around like a chump) leading the Republic forces during the battle of Rhen Var (30 years after the war began in Return) against superior Sith forces and droids. Then during the Cold War (Sacking of Coruscant till mid-TOR, 11 years) she's doing various missions for the Republic (hex droid crisis, etc) and being Grandmaster of the Jedi Order. Then it's back to war when the Galatic War kicks off (mid/late TOR). She's tangled with numerous Sith Lords (Malgus, Baras, Angral, Mekhis) and beaten them all. Her Force powers are incredible- she tossed Malgus around on Alderaan, she can catch lightsabers on her hands, can crush blast-doors with a Force push, wreck droids that give full Jedi and Sith problems, and is an accomplished telepath.

As I alluded to earlier, I question the cohesiveness of the Luminara-Barriss trump. Barriss planted a bomb inside the Jedi Temple, which killed 6 Jedi (including one of her padawan friends) and more clones and civilian employees. She framed Ahsoka (her good friend) to take the fall, which would have lead to her execution. Barriss also used force-choke to kill an innocent person as part of her set-up of Ahsoka, used red lightsabers, and basically viewed the Jedi Order as evil- she's basically one "Unlimited Powaaaa!" away from Sith-dom Which leads me to question how well she and Luminara would get along, seeing as how master-apprentice relationships go after one falls to the Dark Side.

All that aside, this trump shouldn't be enough to take down Shan. Luminara doesn't fare well vs Ventress without help and Barriss hasn't shown herself to be much of a duelist either. Nor have they demonstrated any particular strength with the Force. Just your average, run-of-the-mill Jedi against a Grandmaster who's been at war for 40 years and is the greatest Jedi of her time.

Ventress v Kas'im

This should be a good one. Both have lose an advantage from the onset- Ventress is well-practiced against double-bladed opponents and her own dual-blade advantage is useless over Kas'im. I think the real discrepancy here is the quality of opponents they've faced. Ventress has fights against Kenobi, Skywalker, Windu, Yoda, Dooku, and numerous other Jedi Masters (Fisto, K'kruhk, Mundi, Koon, Luminara, etc). Kas'im is mostly reputation and his one quality opponent is a recently-graduated-from-being-an-apprentice Bane. He's the weapons instructor for the Brotherhood of Darkness- he has no fights against the quality Jedi of the time (Hoth etc) and doesn't face any of the other Sith in mortal combat (due to Kaan's views on Sithly brotherhood). Ventress' wealth of experience against top-notch opponents gives her enough of an edge to win this one.

 

I'll have arguments for mine (namely Hoth/Trump and Trump/Kota) later tonight if all goes well.

 

Have we ever actually seen Hoth fight? On-screen?

 

In Path of Destruction yeah. In the middle of the final battle for Ruusan actually, doing stuff like throwing people into stasis without even looking at them. I'd have to dig up the quotes again, when I do the argument anyway.

He still lacks for duels against big names though.

 

Okay, correction...argument(s) up tomorrow. I forgot I have things to do tonight.

 

Shado vs. Jax: Shado's fought dozens of Krayt's sith and never been defeated. Jax barely survived Vader. I have my doubts that he could take on Shado and his fighting style one on one.

Kam Solusar vs. Raynar Thul: Kam should have this. He's more experienced and a more skilled Duelist than Raynar.
Ganner Krieg vs. Darth Bandon: Ganner's like Shado. A skilled duelist and undefeated in the comics. Bandon was one of the earliest villains in the game to die. He wasn't exactly a hard kill either. Ganner on the other hand is a Master and one of Roan Fel's best knights. He went toe to toe against several of Krayt's best sith and survived. Not sure what Bandon brings over Ganner.

An'ya Kuro vs. Alema Rar: For all her craziness, Alema would probably get knocked senseless by the Dark Woman. Another duelist with unconventual style. She was able to hold her own against Vader before dying. Alema is too untrained and undisciplined vs. An'ya's skill with both the force and saber combat.
Nomi Sunrider vs. Cade Skywalker: This is an interesting one. Nomi was one of the most powerful jedi in her time, not to mention she was the leader of the order at one point. She stripped one of the most powerful jedi at that time of the force. Nomi's stock may have dropped over time, but compared to the match above, it's about the same. Nomi has the power. She's experienced and trained and skilled in saber combat. For 90% of Legacy, Cade rejected his legacy. His skills with a lightsaber were good but he lost against several better duelists both in practice and fighting. It was his unique ability to see the cracks in others that really helped him in some cases, as well as his flirtation with the Dark Side. Like Cade, Nomi was around during a period of war with the sith. Cade may have a few surprises, but given he's not prepared for her, and given how other Masters and more skilled duelists handled Cade, I think Nomi can just barely win this.
Tsui Choi vs. Vergere: Aside from Cloak of Deception (I think) and Traitor, I don't recall Vergere using a saber much. Tsui was a skilled combatant and held his own against Vader. Prepared, Vergere might have this. Unprepared, Tsui is a fully trained Jedi Master against a fallen, out of practice Jedi Knight. I think again, he just edges her out.
Antares Draco vs. Roan Fel: We had this match in Legacy. Antares won.
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Darth Caedus: The theme of this round it seems. My team is full of fully trained, skilled duelists. And you don't get more skilled than Obi-Wan. Prepared, this would go to Caedus. Unprepared, Caedus was put in his place by Luke (held in his chair). Apparently Jaina needed to train with Mandalorians to kill Jacen but that's a bunch of garbage. She was skilled enough to kill him, despite some of the advantages she had in that match. Jacen's big claim is killing Mara. BUT. He was losing. The only reason he survived was the projection of Ben distracted her long enough for him to poison her. He didn't defeat her as a duelist, nor really with any force powers. Just tricks. Meanwhile Obi-Wan took out Anakin at the height of his power on Mustafar. Obi-Wan trained Luke. A peak level Obi-Wan vs. Caedus at his most powerful essentially goes like Mustafar. Jacen has some tricks, but so does Obi-Wan. Despite losing his Maul kill, he still did defeat him and Ventress as well. He survived Dooku and took out Anakin. When he did lose to Vader, it was to buy time and on his terms. In a one on one match. Obi-Wan is simply more experienced, more skilled and generally smarter than Caedus-who through much of that terrible series, gradually lost his mind.


Now the match of the round:
Mara Jade Skywalker (prep) vs. Lumiya (prep) I'll just quote the wiki article on their matchup: Refusing aid from Skywalker or other Jedi, she then set out on her hunt for Lumiya, looking for an opportunity to end what she viewed as the Sith menace to her son. Jade Skywalker obtained such a chance at Hesperidium and ended with herself gaining a bruised eye, split lip, burned neck, and bleeding forehead while Lumiya suffered severe lightsaber wounds.
So let's look at that. Mara basically gets some scratches, burns and bruises, while Lumiya suffers severe wounds. Unprepared Mara against Lumiya probably goes to Lumiya. Prepared Mara against Lumiya? Should go to Mara as we know she has a shoto. But really it comes down to training. Lumiya's is mostly incomplete despite her assertion of being Sith. Mara was the Emperor's best hand. She defeated the mad clones of C'Boaath and Luuke. She pummeled Nom Anor and she wounded Lumiya severely during one matchup. She's a Jedi Master and one of the most skilled assassins in the galaxy. She nearly defeated Caedus on her own. Now granted, circumstances often led to various advantages. But one on one, I think Mara is more powerful, better trained and more skilled. Lumiya's big edge is the whip. But Mara knows that and can prepare for it.

 

Sarro Xaj/Raskta Lsu vs. Lord Hoth (prep)

Okay, the big one here (IMO). The Super-Trump has yet to lose a match, and for very good reason. Those two working together are a monster, that can overwhelm darn near anyone if they don't have Skywalker in their name. But that being said, I think Hoth has a decent chance of coming out on top here.

Why? Well, to begin with, the people the Super Trump has fought so far had no experience with them, and thus no way to plan a way to fight the overwhelming lightsaber abilities in said trump. This is a crippling disadvantage against such good fighters. Hoth on the other hand, even without the prep, doesn't have that handicap.

Both parts of the trump served with Hoth on Ruusan. This is important, since no general would want to go around not knowing the abilities and skills of his soldiers. Especially Jedi as elite as Lsu/Xaj. Toss in the Prep, and he can use that knowledge...add onto it...and plan a way to counter their skills. In this case, the weakness both of them have towards Force powers, by virtue of their over-specialization on lightsaber combat. Force powers are something Hoth has experience with, considering in the final battle of Ruusan, he is perfectly able to throw a Sith into Stasis while distracted and not even looking at him. Such a move likely won't work on either part of this Trump, but it shows Hoth is far from a slouch in Force abilites.

In fact, one of the few things that consistently messed up Lsu in the duel with Bane (while she had the BM support) was his Force pushes knocking her around. She recovered quickly enough, but again, that has to be viewed through the lens of the BM support. Hoth may not be a monster in the Force like Bane, but he doesn't need to be, since the trump lacks the Ithorian's support.

As for the other half of the Trump, Xaj relies mainly on his brute strength and the size of his lightsaber during the duel with Zannah. Against Zannah, and with BM support, that worked remarkably well. Hoth however, is not physically weak by any means. Maybe not as strong as even base Xaj, but still hardly a weakling. Other than that, there isn't really enough on Xaj for me to say much more. Lsu is the one who has more to work with.

And it is admittedly impressive, considering how well she can blend her style with two guys she's never fought with in the duel with Bane. But, BM support tempers that as it does the rest of the Trump's main feat. The lack of BM is mostly countered by the fact that Xaj and Lsu are a master/apprentice team and thus have amazing cohesion (in theory) though.

In the end, I would say that its really going to come down on how much the prep helps, and how much Hoth can abuse his advantage in Force powers to try and break the Trump up in some way.

Next:

Rahm Kota vs. Zayne Carrick/Celeste Morne

Admittedly, I would say Kota has a great chance at busting the Trump here. Neither Celeste nor Zayne have anywhere near enough strength to take the old warhorse down on their own. The only real chance they have of winning is taking advantage of Kota's blindness (however slight that edge is considering being blind obviously doesn't hurt him that much these days) and trying to have one pair of the Trump distract him enough for another to get in a killing blow. This might actually work, considering Kota doesn't have a duel against multiple opponents to his name.

Yes, there is the impressive fight with Starkiller 1.0. That and the arena from TFU2 give him a massive power advantage. But with the fact he hasn't fought two lightsaber wielders at once, it may prove damaging to him. I just can't say I know enough to say which would win. But I'll say Zayne/Celeste can win if they are able to take advantage of Kota's lack of experience (visual in any case) against multiple lightsaber wielders.


The rest of the matches seem cut and dry, though I can argue them if wanted.