Full Series Starkiller in Rebels

And Starkiller brought them together in TFU. The common people have no hope of overthrowing the SITH without the Force on their side.

 

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/23/star-wars-rebels-interview/

They're writing the origin of the Rebel Alliance, it will overwrite TFU

 

Nothing in there about TFU

 

Did I mention Starkiller is kinda overrated?

 

Makes it all the more impressive doesn't it? The common people rising up and challenging the Big Bad Sith?
Anyone else hate the Pro-Force users bias to the exclusion of non force users since the PT started?

 

That's what Palpatine thought.

In the end, his regime was brought down entirely by non-Force users. And they would have killed him too, even without Vader's turn, in that they successfully blew the DS2 while he was on it.

I don't buy the idea that the Sith emperor was unassailable to any and every effort of ordinary mortals, with only other Force-wielders being a threat to him. I don't buy that for a moment.

 

This is set a couple of years before TFU isn't it?

If Starkiller did appear it would either be as an antagonist or as a good guy about 5 or 6 seasons in (TFU is set 1ABY, this is set 3ABY from memory).

The only way I can see them working in an appearance is if for the finale of the show whenever they do decide to end it they want to resolve the 'Darth Vader was captured less than a year before the Battle of Yavin but we don't know how he escaped' thing from the end of TFU2. I'd imagine that would be the end of the show.

 

You have no idea how much. I hate the notion that Sith can only be threatened by Jedi. I think it is total bs, especially because there are so many possibilities.

Palpatine could be poisoned, shot, drowned, and so on.

Vader could be killed by electromagnet or drowned etc.

No, but Pablo Hidalgo said just recently that the events of season 5 TCW and rebels are more important than TFU.

 

There was no one in the galaxy that posed a threat to Vader and the Emperor besides Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Luke though, and as long as the Sith survived the Empire would as well. Sidious would have forseen a conventional attack and easily been able to thwart it. If Vader hadn't brought Luke to the DS2, it would not have been blown up - the tide only turned for the Rebels when Vader turned back into Anakin and killed the Emperor.

 

Yes it would have, the Rebels plan was to blow up the Shield Generator and when they did that, Lando and the others would enter the DS and blow it up whether Palps likes it or not

 

While I do admit that the non-force using rebels did all of the work and their plan succeeded as they had originally planned it (w/o force-users) I do think Darkslayer makes a valid point. We know that the Empire succeeded in its military engagements because of Palpatine's use of battle meditation and I do think that Luke's presence on the DS2 distracted Palpatine from truly focusing on the Rebels on Endor's forest moon. If Luke had never gone to the DS2, I think an argument could be made that Palpatine would have forseen the defeat on the surface at the hands of the Ewoks and would have taken measures to prevent that. Frankly, the Ewoks won but were still pounded and their tactics surely couldn't have held up for too much longer (how many log traps could they have built??) Chances are, if Palpatine was focused on that battle, he would have kept sending troops down until the Ewoks had run out of traps and defensive measures - possibly by even using a weapon like the defoliator to destroy all organic matter around the generator (even if that killed his troops too, it would assure victory). I think arguments can be made by both sides but I don't think this topic (DS2 destruction) is one that can conclusively prove that non-force users could take down Palpatine/the Empire. I think there are probably other topics that could more conclusively prove such an argument.

 

Darkslayer did you even watch the same RoTJ as the rest of us?

While Palps was goading Luke on the Death Star, the Ewok ambush went off, and the stormtrooper legion was drawn off into the depths of the forest in a diversionary pursuit they really shouldn't have fallen for. When Palps was gloating about how "your fleet is lost, and your friends on the Endor moon will not survive" the commandeered AT-ST was approaching the bunker and about to trick its crew outside, proving Palpatine's gloating words to be patent BS. While Luke grabbed his lightsaber and attacked and the Emperor cackled, Han was blowing the shield generator and the attack was commencing. When he was frying Luke with Force lightning, Lando and Wedge were hurtling towards the opening of the service tunnel leading straight to the reactor core.

The only thing Vader's turn and kill of Palpatine achieved was to ensure that Luke could escape the doomed Death Star, and let it be seen that Anakin had turned back from the Dark Side. The actual destruction of the DS2 and the death of everyone onboard was already a foregone conclusion, from at least a minute or two before Luke and Vader even started their duel.

Even if Luke had turned right there and bowed and said I will do whatever you ask RoTS style and got Darthed up on the spot, the only thing that would have achieved would be to mean that Lando and Wedge would kill three Sith in one go when they blew the thing.

 

That is what I was getting at, the Luke-Vader incident was distracting Palpatine from putting all effort into his Battle Meditation, and so allowed Lando and co to break through the Imperial defenses. Darth Valkyrus Legolas Skywalker

 

Still not buying that all attempts by non-force-senstives to overthrow / kill him would be eternally doomed to failure.

 

The EU may not be the best source for infos on the real Palpatine since they made him into some dark nigh unbeatable demigod who can literally shoot lightning out his butthole and destroy entire planets with the force alone.

Movie Palpatine was a powerful and crafty manipulator, who can still be bested (Windu, Vader) and can still die like any other mortal.

 

Cad Bane ‏@A_Targaryen
Dec 13
Infinata is the start of the Rebel Alliance from TFU considered canon with the Rebels storyline? Or is TFU not canon at all?
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Pablo Hidalgo ‏@infinata
Dec 13
@A_Targaryen no. The TFU version isn't canon. The season 5 Clone Wars stuff is.
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Anyway, even if it was true that Force-users were needed to rebel against the Sith, it would still be a bad idea.

 

It would depend when the show will take place. But I do want Starkiller to appear so that his fate could be revealed. It is very likely if Sam Witwer will work with the show since he is the voice of Starkiller.

 

While this may seem strange, I find Witwer's voice incredibly annoying and over-emotional.

 

He does an excellent Sidious.

 

Starkiller's awesome and he basically created the rebel alliance

 

Yea ummmmm no he didn't.

Ahsoka did.

For real though, he is not canon, way too overrated and made too powerful.

Star Wars: Rebels will show the formation of the Alliance.

 

There's room for both I think.

 

This is also what I believe. Not so much in terms of ripping the Star Destroyer out of orbit, or even in terms of any kind of physical feats like deflecting blaster bolts, but in terms of being able to understand and shape events far beyond any logic. The Jedi couldn't reach out and crush the Death Stars with telekinesis, but events were shaped so that they got destroyed.

Without the force, the Rebellion can only hope the Sith make a fatal mistake. They could win, but only if they get help from an own goal.

 

As I said in another thread, the games are no longer canon. TFU is no more.