Full Series Sabine

I tend to skip over forum posts on any fan forum for something I like, not just this one, whenever that term (or any 'trope' in general) pops up. The only reason I stopped to read yours is the graphic jumped out at me.

I don't care for tropes in general and I agree this one is probably one of the worst. If I like a character, then I like them. If I don't like them, then I don't, and I'm not especially interested in what the writer was intending when creating them. I evaluate a character for themselves and don't make comparisons.

 

I'd question that, because I don't think the term has a meaning anymore.

And bleck at the people making negative judgments about characters based on virtually nothing.

 

His given name could have been "Korkoron The Bold."

 

Revanfan1 and @HanJones I got a friend to try TCW with that arc and he didn't like it but he made fun of the line "oh Corgie you saved me" and so now it's a running joke between us.

 

What we can tell after two days and a two minute video clip. Luke didn't know he was Force sensitive until he met Obi-Wan and even then he still sucked at first against the remote on the Falcon.

As for Sabine's hair color, they said she changes her clothes AND her hair color as she pleases. Maybe her natural color is closer to Satine or Obi-Wan's.

 

Well, she does seem to be the one plastering a version of the future Rebel Alliance logo all about. That could very well be something that helps bring disparate groups of rebels together. Don't forget, it is the Rebel ALLIANCE, therefore a collection of different rebel groups.

 

I dunno. It just seems a rather lame talent to showcase compared to the other characters'.

 

I do get some of the concerns that they may be trying to hard to make a cool new breakout character everyone will just love. Similar points were made about Ahsoka too. Indeed, in some ways Sabine seems to have been made via a check list of things to make the fans squee.

Cute tomboy? Check
Asian? Check
Mando? Check
Flashy style? Check

Next thing we know it'll be revealed that she spends her off hours wearing pig tails and a school girl uniform. . .

*anxiously awaits latest news*

 

If that is their goal they failed with me because she might just be the bottom of the list if I ordered the main characters by how much I'm looking forward to them.

 

I think I just figured out Mary-Sue paranoia...

Most of us probably grew up as nerds or social outcasts of one sort or another, so either instantly-likable characters must be seen as totally unrealistic, or life is totally unfair. When, in fact... well, let's just say: I know some very likable people, and I'm not one of them, so the evidence leans toward the latter.

Disclaimer: I'm no better than any of this, and I get that it's totally antisocial of me to point that out, but... doesn't mean it's wrong. Anyway, just throwing it out there. Nobody have a cow.

 

The character I can look forward to is yet to come, I hope .

 

That's a pretty sketchy argument. I was a social outcast and yet my attitude towards the Mary Sue Police culture has always been a mixture of skepticism and contempt.

 

Oh, me too, but I think that's perfectly logical: some of us turn to fantasy as a safe place to explore the imagination with the knowledge that not all characters and plots will be perfect, where others turn to it to see a very specific different world play out.

Of course, that kind of Jungian mass-mind thing isn't as simple as analyzing everybody at once, but I will probably continue to see some validity there. And I need to be able to do that, or otherwise the Mary-Sue Police tend to rob me of some of my joy... because while some turn to fantasy for freedom and some turn to fantasy for justice, some must turn to psychoanalysis to understand why some take their fantasy so seriously and not get totally angry about that...

 

We're starting out pretty close then because Kanan and Zeb are my top two and I also have Ezra at the bottom. I'm never big on the droids but I might even wind up liking Chopper better than Sabine and Ezra from the looks of it.

 

My worry that Sabine will be annoying trumps any concerns about her being a "pet character."

Just because child characters so often are. Anakin from TPM was my least favorite character of TPM ditto for Boba from AOTC.

Some notable mentions for kid characters I don't mind are John Connor from T2, Lex and Tim from Jurassic Park, and Newt from Aliens. But really in all these situations, they are kids along for the ride. They are not child prodigies that make the adults look like idiots and turn things into Home Alone. I say I don't mind Lex and Tim, but then in The Lost World we got Kelly who killed a raptor via gymnastics which I can't stand to this day.

It's OK to have extraordinary kids, when the cast is extraordinary. Like, Robin never bothered me among the likes of Superman and Batman, nor do the kids of the X-Men. And so showing Ezra and Sabine as being extraordinarily gifted among such a crew would be OK. But showing them as being exemplary at the expense of other characters would bother me to no end. E.G. raptors kill a whole bunch of people and all the characters are running and treating them like a grave threat, but Kelly decides to do gymnastics and kills one, before receiving a witty remark from her father.

 

And that's fine, but we're talking about nearly 50 years of general fandom using a term that doesn't even exist outside general fandom. That's a pretty focused trend. But I'm not accusing causation... simply correlation.

I'm not accusing you of anything, because you just watch however it suits you, and that's fine... and I'm kinda doing the same thing with regard to my view of fandom. I'm the kind of person who generally takes people at their word and takes them seriously, and that can be overwhelming when I just don't see the basis for a common complaint; in finding a personal/psychological motivation behind a trend that bothers me, I take away its power to piss me off.

I know you don't care about the analytical side of the conversation, so I don't mean to bore you; just saying, it's how I work through stuff. No offense intended, because this isn't directed anywhere in particular.

 

Besides being an accurate description, I like throwing around Mary Sue because it makes me sound like an insane nerd. It's the perfect term to use in a nerd rant.

Bleck at people making positive judgments about characters based on virtually nothing. There are plenty of people who have already declared their love for these characters and have pinned all their hopes and dreams on them.

I don't see much difference.


Personally, I was a Mary Sue growing up, I was instantly likable. So maybe that means I hate myself! Mary Sues remind me of......ME!

 

I never said I liked it that way... just that it happens.

Anyway, we're not getting into the line between generalizations and statistics. Let's just leave it at this: I am a fan of studying pop-cultural mass psychology, and you are not. In your favor, I admit that this is nothing but empty conjecture on my part, and I'm just throwing an idea around... but in my defense, might we admit there's a bit of a conflict of interest, you getting into this particular topic as someone who specifically doesn't care about the analysis? I mean, I'm a recovering alcoholic, but I wouldn't think of stopping you from talking about drinking wine... so, throw me a bone here, eh?