Full Series Official "The Clone Wars" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Yes, I could have stopped there. I didn't.

I kept going because people need to be aware of their situation, and they're clearly not. Whatever the EU is going to be in the future, what we precisely knew it as to this point is OVER. It's over because Lucas and his successors obviously WANT it to be over, regardless of reasons. To say that is neither condescending nor "getting in a tizzy"; it is a cold, hard FACT. And regardless of what elements from the present EU are carried over (and there may - I repeat, MAY - be parts that will be, but there is no guarantee of that as yet), the name Korriban is already gone - by Lucas' own decision. People are still resisting this fact as if they have a say in it; they don't. They're acting like this is a very important thing that's being taken from them; it isn't. It's a NAME - a name that doesn't exist, for a place that doesn't exist. And that's ALL it is.

 

I dunno. I think people have every right to complain and be angry. Especially when you take into account the fact that every single Lucas made retcon has been worse than what was originally canon.

And yes, it's just a name. So, why was it so important for GL to change it? More petty "I just want MY take out there," nonsense?

 

If you yell at a rock for not being a flower, does the rock become a flower? Yes, you can complain and be angry, but in the end, to what result? Korriban will still be Moraband at the end of the day.

Without any snark, I genuinely encourage you to state your very valid opinion all you want, as openly and honestly as you possibly can. Korriban will still be Moraband at the end of the day.

Worse according to whom? Not to Lucas. Not to the people at LFL or Disney. And probably not to the potential viewers, many of whom wouldn't know Korriban from Adam. This is a viewpoint reserved only for us here, not for the rest of the world.

What really bothers me about this entire controversy is that it is practically the ONLY thing I read about in regards to these episodes. If I had to stack up the questions regarding this name against posts where they express legitimate positive interest in seeing them, or curiosity about what they're going to say, it'd be a pretty lopsided balance. Continuity is the ONLY issue regarding these episodes about which people seem to have any interest; everything else doesn't seem to matter at all. Now, someone can try to answer me by saying that they haven't seen them yet and they therefore have little else to talk about - but then that still speaks to a misplacement of priorities. People shouldn't HAVE to have seen them to have an interest in something other than whether they changed a canon that is already doomed.

The Lucasfilm Story Group has made it clear from the beginning that the continuity we have known to date will not and cannot remain perfectly intact. Moving forward, some of it MAY remain intact, but some of it WILL be altered, ignored, or overwritten. It's not a question of right or wrong; it simply IS. Furthermore, Lucas himself made it clear from the beginning that said continuity always WOULD be altered, ignored or overwritten if he chose to do so, at any time, according to the needs of the story he's trying to tell. One cannot yell at an inevitably-moving machine and expect it to stop; it's going to go on. It's a shame and a complete waste of time to get this upset over something that simply IS. Now, someone can try to answer me by saying that I'm wasting my own time by answering with this - but it's become obvious that SOMEONE has to say it. And that's not snarky; it's not getting in a tizzy; it's a clear and necessary reminder that a lot of people seem to be caring about the wrong things here.

You know what I care about? I care about seeing Yoda go on an adventure. I care about knowing more about how the Force works. I care about seeing a little more about Dagobah. I care about the fact that these Sages we're going to see could be possibly the closest thing we're ever going to get from Lucas regarding the Whills and who they were and what they were about (I'm not saying they're going to BE the Whills; I'm saying they're going to come as close as it will probably ever come for the foreseeable future). I want to see what trials a character as powerful as Yoda has to undergo. I want to learn more about the immortality trick. I want to see Qui-Gon Jinn again. I want to see what happens on the Sith homeworld, regardless of what name it bears. I want to see an explanation of the differences between the Jedi and Sith belief systems. And I want to see all this as George Lucas sees it, not as others do; I want to see his parting statement on the philosophical underpinnings of this Saga, which is one of the primary elements that elevates it above being common science-fiction drivel. It's partly what makes it WORTH all the attention we give it.

Does it really matter why he changed it? It's changed; that's it. Done. If I had to pick a reason (and I emphasize that it is ONLY my guess) it's because the new name allowed Lucas to continue to make more subtle points about his ideas. He probably liked the word "moribund," meaning "dying," and decided to change the planet's name to something resembling that word in order to reiterate his philosophical point about the Sith and what they believe. I don't see that as petty, and the people who see it that way seem to have a unique point of view on pettiness. Whether they feel justified or not, they're still looking at this from an entirely negative viewpoint. And for all their hand-wringing, it won't make any difference; it certainly won't make a difference at LFL. Korriban will still be Moraband at the end of the day.

I honestly don't approach these episodes with apprehension, like so many people seem to be doing; I'm EXCITED. People can choose to be one or the other. It's entirely up to them. But regardless of what choice they make, Korriban will still be Moraband at the end of the day.

 

Todd EDIT: No personal attacks.

 

Can we make a "Mortis/Moriband Fun Times Thread"?

 

Dammit, I'm kinda bummed all these episodes are going to be up on Netflix tomorrow. I'm excited to see them don't get me wrong but its just all going to be over so quick. I don't have the self control not to marathon through them tomorrow night.

 

Sunday and Monday are my days off, so I don't get the luxury of marathoning them tomorrow night, unless I want Saturday to suck. I probably just won't be poking my head into many TCW threads until I'm finished.

 

Hah, I wish I had the immaturity to play hooky to watch a damn cartoon. I'm glad to have my weekends back. I might end up working Saturday as I might get drafted to handle some big announcement by the company I work for (Murphy's law at its finest) but I'm definitely going to watch these soon. I just wish these episodes had come out one or two at a time instead of all of them being there to marathon. That feeling when ya get to the end of a good show and there is no more to watch kinda sucks, particularly when it just stops do to cancellation.

 

I wonder what time it will be available?

 

3 am

 

Good thing I bought beer, I guess.

 

This article is a great tribute to Ahsoka's role in the Clone Wars saga. In the midst of the excitement for viewing the final episodes of TCW, take a look at this and remember Snips, as we await her inevitable triumphant return in some later series:
http://io9.com/how-clone-wars-ahsoka-tano-made-the-star-wars-franchis-1537984315

 

Fantastic article!

 

Very powerful and extremely articulate in pointing out the flawed nature of the Order and how it could've pretend Anakin falling. So true.

 

The article above was written by a blogger and fan, so it's interpretation, but I happen to agree with most of it. I wouldn't take it as gospel of any kind confirming full intentions of the creators, so it's perfectly acceptable to debate the concepts.

How boring it would have been if they just killed off Ahsoka because everyone "expected" that to happen. A lot of people wanted this so that their internal logic could be satisifed. It was always a tough proposition to have a full series take place in this period that was sandwiched between events that we already knew about, so it's easy to wish for the most logical choice that doesn't upset continuity, but it's IMHO more creatively satisfying to develop a character and story that defies expectations and brings something new to the saga.

The Jedi were represented in the Prequels and the Clone Wars as an order of good, but with some deep flaws. The Prequels scrambled to try to represent this along with the rest of the plot in a short time span, but didn't really get the full point across. Arcs like the Season 5 finale added to that full picture of the flaws that faced the order. It's just more realistic to show them in full light of the issues with getting caught up in the bureaucracy they were in, instead of the strictly black and white angle.

By the end of the S5 finale, I was totally in Ahsoka's corner thinking "Srsly?!" when Mace went on about letting her back in and that being her great trial. It's kinda like one of those WTF moments you have with your parents... you love them and all, but sometimes they are just oblivious to the current reality because of their frame of mind being stuck somewhere else.

The mention of the Jedi role as genocide victims is a bit internet-flammatory, but I think it's interesting to compare them to other victims. The Jedi were an order of extremely powerful individuals, basically super heroes, so I think the question is how did they flip to become such victims. It's one thing to look at helpless victims but the Jedi clearly had some issues if they could be duped like this with their power historically being as such.

I look forward to more stories with Ahsoka as it would have been really dissapointing to devleop this POV character who many really grew to love only to do the thing that everyone expected and kill her. She's going to fulfill her own hero's journey and find a place in the galaxy, quitting the Jedi was not her absolute ending. Now the possibilities are endless for where she will go next and I can't wait to see what that is.

 

For those who missed in the flurry of the bonus content thread, here are a couple of interviews with Filoni that address some of the questions we've had on cancellation, Netflix distribution, Ahsoka, and future Clone Wars content:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/03/07/clone-wars-final-episodes-interview/

This one has some cheezy entertainment reporting aspects, but I like Filoni's comments on the future of the Clone Wars:

 

I think it's awesome, and somewhat appropriate, that the first and last episodes of TCW are about Yoda (Ambush and Sacrifice). Unintentional, maybe, but still awesome.

 

I hadn't even thought of that, but that's a great way to look at it

 

Maybe they did that on purpose