JCC JediWarrior And Connemara Missing In Afghanistan (Update: What a ****show.)

Let's recap, since Vivec's fallen back on his "I have nothing to say so I'm going to accuse of trolling" routine. I'm not trolling, Vivec, I'm offended by your transparent and self-serving faux-outrage at my comments.

So, in summary:

Man, possibly of White Alquaiadiaidiada affiliation, and with dubious connections in first marriage, gets naive and un-worldly pregnant partner to go to Afghanistan with him. Blogger notes meeting the pair, and that despite good advice they were going to press into the more dangerous areas of the country. Pair get kidnapped by extremists, reported to be Taliban.

So here's a simple question for the Vs - you and Vivec - using only a yes/no answer, please respond to the below question:

"Would Connemara, irrespective of if she's pregnant or not, have been in Afghanistan and been kidnapped if she'd never hooked up with JediWarrior?"

 

Irrelevant to your attitude and hyprocrisy, and general derision when you hit the Post button. You need to get over yourself.

 

You realize that question is unanswerable with just a yes or no, right?

 

This conversation is all kinds of strange, and as much as I want to stop reading it I just can't.

 

Ender only cares about human life when he cause use it to insult America.

 

Uh-huh.

Iello how can you abide a scenario in which someone who should and arguably does know better puts his partner, who arguably doesn't know better, and his unborn child, in that kind of danger? Jesus I wouldn't have taken you into anywhere remotely shady in Sydney if there was a slight risk of some drunken idiot (ok, some Australian) merely hitting you.

You cannot do that to someone. It's just not ok.

 

i doubt that connemara is indifferent toward jediwarrior. the rest of us otoh pretty much totally are. just saying that you're not and patting yourself on the back isn't really that convincing. i mean how much do you really care, jello? what are you doing about it? i think ender is just being honest. (as is his wont)

 

Noooooope.

 

He has improved. Remember the raging ****show that was his breakup from lexu?

 

I'm pretty indifferent to his individual well-being, but there's a difference between that and suggesting he deserves whatever he got for wandering into a warzone.

 

I can at least agree with that first part.

 

i don't care how "naive" someone is, you should know the dangers of travelling through ****ing Afganistan whilst carrying an unborn child. we can demonize JW all we want but Connemara has to take some responsibility, too. "she didn't know any better" is no excuse.

 

This.

Also, why is she getting a pass on all this? People are talking about her as if she was severely mentally challenged and he dragged her off under false pretenses.

Sure she was naive. But it's Afghanistan. As I said in one of my first posts way back when, you shouldn't even need to check the State Department's warning list to know that that's one place you don't go in your right mind. They were both adults.

That said, I don't wish death on either of them, and hope they and their child make it home.


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I....don't, actually.

 

She's not mentally challenged, but I do remember her being a really naive and sheltered "I'm just a girl" type person.

I'm not saying it was all dude's fault. Being naive and sheltered isn't an excuse for having no common sense or protective feelings towards her offspring. She made a dumb decision by choosing to go to Afghanistan. I'm sure she now knows this. I mean, it's likely the same thoughts are going through her head at this exact moment. You know?

 

Ender's not that bad. He gives everyone crap, but I honestly think he means well for the most part. He's basically Shaun from the Assassin's Creed games, or to make a less obscure reference, every single Grahm Chapman character ever.

Both of these people, JW and Conn, were stupid for making the decision to backpack in Afghanistan. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people, but like I said, I never knew them. This thread is almost becoming as disastrous as Merlin's ****show 6 months ago.

 

I personally am giving her a pass because she has the double whammy of being a captive and giving birth in captivity must be distressing beyond words. Yes, she made the decision to go but she also no doubt trusted JW's opinion on their likely safety. It's not a fair standard, but it shouldn't be when children are brought into the equation.

 

This reminds me of those f'idiot Americans who thought it would be a good idea to go hiking on the Iran/Iraq border and wandered into Iran. There's a certain sense one has of 'what blatant stupidity, they deserve whatever fate awaits them'. I totally understand that point of view, but don't know either JW or Connemara well enough to completely share it. Nor do I wish harm on anyone.

It's that there's a pregnancy involved that is such an outrage to me. Naive or not, Connemara is an adult and made a choice to go. The baby did not. Was this JW's kid? As a parent, you have a responsibility to keep your kids safe. Why the hell would you- ....I don't understand how- ..... As a father, I'm getting ten different shades of ****ed off so I'm going back to Classic Forums for awhile. I'm bound to offend someone if I continue to say what I really think about this. I'm leaning towards Ender about it. Maybe not as extreme as he put forth- I hope they come back safely, but goddamn what stupidity.

 

sounds like you're giving her a pass just because she's female, thereby being incapable of making her own decisions in life and needing to entrust all that thinking business to The Man who knows all. didn't you post quite a lot in SLG's sexism thread?

i'm sure having your wife and child in captivity is pretty distressing, too, from JW's perspective.

at the end of the day they're both to blame. they both had a responsibility to their child. recklessness, stupidity, naivity, they're all in there together.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing epic, cheers for that.

 

That's how it reads.

 

I read it that way too.