Amph Agents of SHIELD Discussion Thread (and Slingshot)

Given I posted an article a few days ago, that intimated that if Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D was renewed that it would be broken up into two halves and if picked up, the Agent Carter series would serve as a bridge between the two halves, probably not.

But the thought of it being a one - season series has crossed my mind.

 

You potentially miss my point.

LITERALLY EVERY OTHER NETWORK -- CBS, CW, FOX, NBC -- have renewed at least some shows. CBS and FOX have, I believe, renewed most of their 2014/5 show slate, with possibly a couple more to come and CW/NBC have renewed a few with some high-profile (The Blacklist) and some not.

ABC literally has not announced anything for renewal at all. Even the shows that we know for a fact, based on other leaked information (e.g. Revenge) will be renewed.

So there should reasonably be some speculation as to why there's been no announcement at any time, no?

 

Not really since the entire network hasn't been announced.

 

Most networks won't officially announce their schedules until May.

 

Since I live across the street from the theater where FOX does their up-fronts, I am aware. But renewals typically come before scheduling...

 

How did Lorelei's power work exactly? Was it a mind control thing or was it a "makes you more of what you already are" thing? Because if Ward was indeed evil and we did not know, does that mean he would have just done that anyway and he was not raped?

 

As far as I understand she essentially makes herself the focus of any man's loyalty and devotion. So instead of Ward going through every issue or situation with 'what would Garret/Hydra/My Mission/My Cover/etc... want me to do here' it's all just replaced with 'What would Lorelei want me to do?'

 

I agree with what you said, but I would still take it further, especially in relation to Ward.

So far, Garrett seems a lot of fun to be with. Still, he's also the ultimate con man (he made everyone buy the Clairvoyant masquerade, after all), and slippery as an eel to boot. In front of him, you've got stolid, reliant Coulson, who isn't above breaking rules if he warrants that honesty or friendship demands it. I think it's interesting to see how those two diametrically opposed mentors may be able to influence Ward in the end.

I'm not saying it will come into play in this season, but I could see a situation where Garrett abuses Ward's confidence in a big way (perhaps by recklessly endangering Skye's life, if his feelings for her are sincere), shattering the "cool mentor" image he's carefully cultivated, making Ward seek redemption in a newly rebuilt SHIELD. If, indeed, Ward isn't pulling a number on everyone with a triple agent scenario.

Lauré

 

Yeah, but then the whole "the love of a good woman will save this evil man" comes into play, and that's just...meh.

 

I know. Yet, as always, it's not the use of clichés or tropes that breaks the deal, but rather how they're brought to bear on a story. If done well, it can even make a story better.

Lauré

 

LOL!!!

By Odins beard this a cheesie and cliched show.

 

So yeah, not many chances of Ward being a triple agent left, right?

 

*Odin's

 

Learned quite a bit from this episode:

Spoiler

Obviously, we finally meet the famous cellist that Coulson had been dating and learned how they met. I do love/hate that he never tells her he's alive. Very nicely acted by Clark Gregg.

So Tripp's grandfather was Gabriel Jones then? Helps to develop him a bit more.

Sad to see May go right as Coulson realizes he needs to forgive her. But looks like that will be short lived. Love that her mother is a former agent too. So May's off to see Maria. That should be a fun conversation. Is May going to get answers for Coulson or because she disagrees with what he's doing? (Could be that based on previews) Or something else?

Ward as the bad guy continues to be fun to watch. I was glad that Skye was able to suck it up and play Ward like he was playing her. Though he did kill Koenig, it does seem like he has genuine regrets, especially when it comes to Skye. I'm not sure I really want Ward redeemed though.

Lastly, I wish this show would stop killing people! First Victoria Hand. Now Koenig. So far the only agents we've met who aren't dead are the (presumed) comatose Blake and Garret. And the rest could be dead thanks to HYDRA. I would not be at all opposed to Hand pulling an LMD move though. That would fit her better than Coulson really. She's just paranoid enough and robotic enough that an LMD for her would be believable. Pity that's not going to happen.

Only 2 more to go. Should be interesting.

 

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If Fitz, Simmons, or Tripplet had said 'oh no, that was Coulson, he was right here but he wants you to still think he's dead to save you further heartache.' they would've become my favorite character in fiction ever. I'm waiting for someone to finally have the courage to do something like that in tv and stop dragging out these secrets.

Giving the trailer for next week with Maria leading Talbot and the US military to Coulson and the team I'm assuming May and Maria's chat did not go well. That said I'm still bothered by the fact people seem to think SHIELD was the only agency compromised by Hydra. I mean the US military has to be heavily infiltrated as well, SHIELD was patient zero but Hydra infected everything. I mean the whole government crusade to wipe out SHIELD seems like something Hydra would order to clean up their mess. So I'm not sure why Hill would trust the military or someone would hear CIA and think they were safe.

Ward plays a good bad guy. Really makes all his previous appearances show in a new light. He's not crazy evil, he doesn't want to make too much of a mess. If he can remove threats without killing them and thus risk his cover he'll do it. So he's professional evil.

Quite the dead agent streak. Maria is the only SHIELD agent left who isn't a main character and not dead. But with being in Avengers 2 she's got quite the character shield.

Also the lie detector machines did seem a bit similar to the brain washing chair Winter Soldier was in... wonder if that was intentional.

Cap, Widow, and Hulk character references this episode too.

 

Also, big LOL at the reveal of Skye's given name being Mary Sue.

 

A little take that at certain fans perhaps?

 

You think?

 

Or this.

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Also, where was May picked up (and I loved who picked her up!)? And where is Department H?

Though I was totally giving May too much credit -- I thought she figured out the lanyard thing early and was a stowaway on the Bus under orders (or on her own)...

 

May's mother actually said, "You're not going to take out Maria, are you?" That's a reference to Maria Hill, who Cobie Smulders will be reprising for next week's episode.

 

Yeah... sooo?