ST Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

I guess I just have trouble accepting the idea that Obi-Wan was such a blithering idiot that he didn't know the difference between a year and a generation. That explanation, while yes simpler and shorter to write, strains credibility far past the point of being believable to me, so for that reason I'm unable to call it the simplest explanation. The idea that the Jedi served the Republic long before the peace which had lasted for the previous millennium is a much simpler explanation to me. Believe what you want though, and I will too. Hopefully someday this will all be definitively cleared up in the new continuity.

 

Arguably yes. The lightside outcome of games as well as playable characters, at least until now, have always been considered canon because most of the Star Wars games have been produced by Lucasarts which is or at least was subsidiary of Lucasfilm. Its the minutia of game play and game mechanics that are up for debate because no two people will play the same game in exactly the same way/

 

Nobody is calling Obi-Wan a blithering idiot. When you use a phrase euphemistically, you are getting the point across without being interpreted literally - and in the real world, no one considers you a blithering idiot because everyone understands what a euphemism is.

If you had a friend who said "man, I haven't eaten in forever!" would you:

A) Consider your friend a blithering idiot since such a thing is not possible for a human being
B) Be amazed at the fact that your friend has never once eaten a meal in the entire history of the universe, or
C) Understand that what your friend really meant is that he is hungry and maybe skipped a meal or snack earlier in the day

So a character in a movie speaking euphemistically saying "1,000 generations" when he really means "a long time" strains your credulity? I guess we just have to agree to disagree there.

In the movies, as well as in the real world, people speak in euphemisms all the time. (See what I did there?)

 

I don't know, man. Over a thousand generations seems like pretty specific phrasing to me. But yeah agree to disagree. I think there might be something else going on now that's more worthy of discussion. Or not.

 

"Ben, why didn't you tell me that the Republic was only 1000 years old?"
"On Stewjon, generation means year, so what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."

 

Glad you said that, otherwise this conversation would have gone on for the next 1500 posts.... whoops.

Point 2:

SWTOR, KOTOR I-II and Darth Bane trilogy are all linked (Darth Bane less so but still), so maybe by association those two would remain "protected", at least to an extent.

Point 3: I'm also really hoping that the very vague continuity established by Luceno in Darth Plagueis, when he mentioned half-a-dozen past "Rule of Two" Sith Lords. Each of these had maybe a sentence about them, but frankly I could read a whole book. With the potential for varied origins and stories and schemes, each name could be like a chapter in the grand plan that somehow led to Tenebrous to Plagueis to... well you know the rest.

So far, in the EU Luceno's books seemed to be have been treated as the closest movie tie-ins (CoD, EP III trilogy and the closely supervised Darth Plagueis). So there is a chance, especially with Luceno doing Tarkin and possibly beyond, for those to stay in.

 

Well, I guess all I can do is sit and hope. I will treat KOTOR I and II as well as TOR canon at the very least until they are contradicted.

 

Maybe he's an estranged son? Only they really know but really though I'm sure Domhnall not sitting next to Mark doesn't really mean a thing. Making these sorts of assumptions is like saying "Hey Robert Downey Jr's lawn was mowed yesterday! OMG Marvel reacquired the rights to all their lost properties!" *Has nervous breakdown*

 

I know. It was supposed to show that we are a bit too early with jumping to conclusions who plays who. Heck, JJ could upset everyone and let Daisy play Luke's daughter, for instance.

 

The Marvel Cinematic Universe has an EU that explains things such as how Steve Rogers met Bucky and how the bifrost bridge was repaired in between Thor 1 and The Dark World. Maybe the story group EU will be similar to that?

 

interesting concept. could happen.

 

Del Rey just announced the 6 film novelizations, the Clone Wars movie novelization and upcoming Episode VII novelization are officially canon.

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=16567

 

Good find.

I was about to laugh at how they ignore answering if the radio dramas are now uncanon but then I realized why ask a book company if the radio dramas count or not... how would they know. Lol.

 

Doesn't the ANH novelization claim that Owen is Obi-Wan's brother?

 

I hope the Episode 7 novelization is good, I wouldn't mind if Stover wrote it.

 

that's the ROTJ novel i think.

 

i don't read the novels until after i see a particular movie. with HP i didn't read any of the books until all of the movies were out. with ROTS, I think i read it right after i saw ROTS the second time. I don't want to be spoiled like i was with The Winter Soldier and Into Darkness. The only thing that i want to see is the 2 to 3 theaterical trailers and 1 or 2 teaser trailers they do for VII.

 

I would think that the SWRDs would be canon considering that they were recorded and mixed by Skywalker Sound.

 

It is - specifically, Obi-Wan says it during his conversation with Luke on Endor.

In ANH he says that Vader used the dark side of the Force "to help the later corrupt Emperors".

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in the permanence of that. They're saying that to keep subscribers hooked. You can bet your bottom credit that if JJ and Kasdan want a shaggy God story in the ST that obliterates the ancient EU, they'll get their wish. The writers forging the future of your multibillion dollar media franchise get priority over a moderately successful MMO's dev team.

 

I figured that:

"As far as The Old Republic MMO is concerned, nothing is going to change. TOR has always been a part of the Expanded Universe, and that's not going to change."

meant "That's not going to change - the Expanded Universe has simply been renamed "Legends - and includes TOR".

 

Maybe Obi-Wan had simply been lying to Luke so long that even he began to believe the lies. Or maybe Obi-Wan's brain had fried in the Tatooine suns a little too long and he had gone a little dotty.

Yancy

 

It's not that difficult really. As noted, the Sith took over but the Republic wasn't completely gone. Seventeen words.

 

I think Mystery Roach 's explanation is a good one. Why assume the two statements are meant to be referencing the exact same historical allusion? One is about the Republic, the other about the Jedi.

 

If the ST novels were written by James Luceno, RA Salvatore and Mathew Stover, I think we'd all be pretty happy with that.