Amph Agents of SHIELD Discussion Thread (and Slingshot)

I think that was Ward. He couldn't look it in the eye and kill it, but he could snipe it from a distance after he got it to run off. I think it was supposed to parallel turning his back on Fitzsimmons to kill them. He could do it if he could make it impersonal.

 

I would say everyone gets points though for being able to identify by name that one black guy from the Captain America movie.

 

I don't think the character's name is spoken in the film, but he is identified in the credits.

 

It speaks volumes to your character that you bothered to read the credits instead of just calling him "boy"

 

I usually just wait for the credits to end when watching Marvel films, but when Trip first mentioned his ancestors fighting HYDRA a few weeks ago, I looked up the "First Avenger" cast list to find out who Derek Luke played.

 

Wait, that wasn't Nick Fury?

 

Yeah, the shooting the dog scene was ambiguous -- I had thought it was Garrett (showing what happens when you have a weakness) but it's a good point about Ward intentionally making the dog run off ("he does it every time...") and the capping him from a distance...

 

I hope we never actually find out, though I lean towards the later theory that Ward simply can't kill someone he's attached to, unless it's from a distance.

That said, I'm pretty sure he didn't kill FitzSimmons.

 

So Skye's totally a Skrull then, rite? Rite?

 

Yeah, the shooting the dog scene was ambiguous -- I had thought it was Garrett (showing what happens when you have a weakness) but it's a good point about Ward intentionally making the dog run off ("he does it every time...") and the capping him from a distance...

It had to be Garrett. Ward only had a pistol to start the dog running. There would be no way he would have had to time go back and get his rifle and then re-find the dog running through the woods. Garrett was watching the dog through the scope in real time. Although I'll have to watch it again, but I don't recall any gunshot sound effect with that scene. I took it as Garrett watching to see if Ward actually carried it out, and then confirming that Ward didn't. Garrett then knew that Ward lied about it, but it also means that Ward lied about it. I wouldn't expect the show to actually show the dog getting shot, but there would have been a gun shot sound, or a scene of Garrett manipulating the bolt of the rifle afterward...something.

 

That's... brilliant? Although likely Chitauri, as they can't use Skrull (unless TV rights are different). Especially since at least higher incarnations of Super Skrulls have Hypontism powers which acts as a low-level mind control which is exactly what they've been saying all YEAR doesn't exist... but also explains why people like / protect / snowflake Skye as an in-plot reason.

As well as ties to Young Avengers as Hulkling was a mixed Skrull/Kree parentage? (and Skye now has Kree blood?)

 

If we're going to run with this, it makes sense ot assume that Flowers is a Skrull (or MCU equivalent), too, and that was the real interest for her interest in Garrett and why she was so disappointed by his lack of psychic abilities.

"Darn, thought he was a Super Skrull"

And, y'know, the whole "hey, she's like me on the inside! Yay" thing.

 

Nah, otherwise it would have been Skrulls in The Avengers -- it was explicitly mentioned to be off-limits due to FF.

 

Maybe the blue being in TAHITI was Skye's father. omg.

 

Yep, they have the rights to the Skrulls. Kevin Feige said that the rights to the Skrulls are not exclusive either Marvel Studios or 20th Century Fox. Whedon used the Chitauri because he didn't want to use shape-shifters in "The Avengers". But I think they indicated that the body in the Guest House was a Kree. Skrulls are green and Kree are blue.





More than likely given what we learned in this episode,

Spoiler

it seems that Skye comes from the Pink Kree which have flesh tone skin. The Pink Kree are subset of Kree that have appeared in more recent times. I think they're also going to combine the traditional Kree with the Ultimate version since the Ultimate Captain Marvel has cybernetically implanted weapons not unlike what they've been doing with Deathlok.

 

I never thought about Skye being a Skrull. I always thought that that mentioning the "Hunan Providence in China" was a reference to the Inhumans. For the longest time, the secret city of the Inhumans was located in the Himalayas, which is just across the border with China. Although (unless it's moved again), the city is currently on the Moon, it still could have been in the Himalayans during Skye's past.

The Kree are the ones who screwed around with human DNA to create the Inhumans, so the Kree connection makes sense there.

Although not exclusive to the Fantastic Four, the Inhumans are still tied to the FF through Crystal. How are the Inhman rights tied to Fox and FF?

 

Marvel has the rights to Inhumans. That's why they've been pimping them so hard these past years.

 

Then it can't just be coincidence to mention a province in China, because the Himalayas are right next door.

Raina and Skye would be cousins?

 

That would be a likely scenario.

 

FTFY

At the moment, the only thing we know is that:

1) There was a child in Hunan province (Skye),
2) An entire village and SHIELD strike force were wiped out protecting her,
3) People kept looking for her after being rescued by SHIELD and she was secretly offloaded to an orphanage to protect her.

Skye looks Asian and everything else we know (including that SHIELD was "infiltrated" and people were looking for Skye so the agent dropped her off at the orphanage where she became a literal Mary Sue) is based on either legend or third-hand documentation.

We are meant to think it was likely HYDRA who was looking for her within SHIELD, as part of the infiltration, most likely.
We are meant to think Skye is from China as a function of her looking Asian.

The Skrull idea is as likely (or moreso) because it totally undermines everything we've both been led to assume is true by the show as well as totally providing a hook for future Seasons, as well as tie into the overriding theme of Phase 2 -- the enemy is already among us. As well, aren't most of the Inhumans primarily normal-humanoid shaped (there are a couple, obvs, who are not)?

Though I do like the idea of Raina also being a Skrull...

 

But then why mention Hunan province specifically? If the story (minus the specific location) was meant to set up Skrulls, it could have been a village in Germany, or Brazil, or the Australian Outback... Whereas the Inhumans live right next to the Hunan Province in China. That's a huge coincidence. You're right, we don't have any information, but if there is no connection, then it's an intentional red herring. It would be like mentioning Skye was found on an island next to where Atlantis is located, but then forgoing any ties to the Sub Mariner or Marrina.

I missed your point about the Inhumans. I don't think Black Bolt has ever been seen without his mask on. Medusa could be Skye's mother with red hair. Karnak looks like he could be Raina's brother, and has more of the "Tibetian/Nepalese" look. Jockjaw is well, he's just Lockjaw.

That's why it makes even more sense to me. I don't think we the audience was supposed to think that Skye was from China, but that's where the "last stand/final battle" took place. Again, to me, it makes sense that this would occur right across the border from the Inhuman's secret city.

The only other connection to "monsters from the Hunan Provice in China" would be Fin Fang Foom, but as awesome as he is, I don't think 'ole purple shorts is going to be making an appearance: