Lit Favorite post-ROTJ novels/series? (POLL)

who is acting like that

are people taking me seriously?

if I think a criticism of it is bunk, I'll say so, but I don't care if people don't like it. I'll just call them out on it if their excuse for disliking if it sounds like bunk to me

edit: Jedi Ben keep in mind that Dark Empire is getting caught in the crossfire here

 

Much as I love JM's undimmed, sheer enthusiasm for NJO, he does seem to post as if it is some cute kitty being kicked to death by a baying mob that he and a few gallant under dogs must save it from!

Here's the thing: NJO was, from the start, frelling popular and remains so, the idea that its fans are somehow a minority is, to me, utter bunk!

I'm used to people throwing around DE criticism, don't care about it as I know why I like the story and I'm not changing that because of something I read online, why on earth would anyone do that?

 

JM?

I've never said the fans are in the minority -- at least not on this forum. That's pretty apparent looking at the poll.

I like to try to help people appreciate stuff like Dark Empire, but some people are content to write off Dark Empire because the clone emperor is dumb, or the NJO because the Yuuzhan Vong are dumb, and that sort of analysis strikes me as not giving either story a fair shake.

And just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of dismissing the NJO that way, as I know you've read the whole thing.

 

Well, maybe that'll finally give Matteus some reassurance.

It's strange though, the appeal that being in the underdog position has for people. Don't really get that.

 

Ah, JediMatteus. I wasn't sure who you were referring to.

 

I wonder if I should just say **** it and start up the New Jedi Order series when I'm done with the Galactic Civil War era stuff. I guess its huge size always scared me off.

 

I'm inclined to say just jump to The Unifying Force.

 

Nope.

For me I have to experience a story from beginning to end.

EDIT: Oh, that's the very last book.

 

I do that too. Harry Potter for example. Good Luck.

 

You wish to inflict upon yourself the horrors of Dark Journey and the Force Heretic trilogy?
.....
So be it.

 

You never know. IG_2000 might like those tales.

 

The Thrawn Trilogy. I was actually a bit disappointed when I learned the new trilogy wouldn't be following it.

 

I've been on these boards long enough to remember the hate that the New Jedi Order got before LOTF and FOTJ. I always loved that series, but its surprising to see so many people enjoy it now too. Perhaps we didn't realize how good it was until we read the two series that came after that.

 

For me, I wasn't an NJO hater, per se, but I certainly was critical of certain narrative decisions made when it was being published. However, the reverence it gets now from me is due to me judging it in comparison to everything else which has been published in the past thirty-eight years, and deeming it to be the best story of the Expanded Universe. It certainly helps that two of the top ten, possibly top five, SW novels are a part of it.

A lot of my criticisms of the series were nullified by the post-NJO. For instance, I didn't like Coruscant being reshaped as Yuuzhan'tar, because I felt back in 2002 we were just being introduced to Coruscant visually, and it was a shame that the post-NJO world wouldn't get to explore it. Lo and behold, the shaping was magically undone, and the stories exploring it sucked.

 

Some things never change.

 

Only way to read a story in my opinion. Otherwise, you'll never know just how good or bad the story actually is.

 

I have to admit, I'm not sure how this claim makes sense. I mean, those are pretty essential parts of those stories - if someone is fundamentally opposed to them, I'm not sure why it's reasonable for that person to still give those stories a "fair shake". (Unless, I suppose, their reason for thinking those things are dumb is really shallow - as in "Yuuzhan Vong is a stupid-sounding name" shallow.)

 

Do you think it is shallow to dismiss the Yuuzhan Vong as villains due to their use of biotech? Maybe people have legitimate complaints about them, but I'm speaking mostly of people that haven't actually read the stories and choose not to do so because they're dismissive of those elements. It seems there's a lot of people who were dismissive of the NJO when it was published that later came around to it after the fact. I doubt the figures in this poll would be identical if it was put out in 2002.

I mean, the bottom line for me is that there's a lot of stuff in Star Wars that is silly that you just have to accept if you're going to enjoy it. Even for me, there's ultimately a threshold where it's so damaging to the narrative that I can't, but that falls to characterization, not story. I'm not fundamentally opposed to the silliness of the Jedi Academy trilogy existing because it's ultimately benign, or even useful in some sense.

 

The Yuuzhan Vong are dumb because they belong in Star Trek or Babylon 5, not Star Wars. How did they get in there?

 

exactly

the NJO is a garbage story that belongs in Star Trek

 

Legends.

 

the reason why i said it messed up Luke's legacy was because Luke was supposed to recreate a successful Jedi order, and defeat the sith. Now when it comes to the eu, the sith tribe and the "One" sith lessens his legacy. and then having Luke's Order decimated by Legacy Comics time peiod also lessens his legacy. Sorry if i am to rigid and uncompromising folks, but it is how i feel.

 

The Lost Tribe is unrelated to Palpatine! Kind of hard for that to diminish Luke's Legacy imo. The Lost Tribe was around for how long during the OJO? That's right, 5000 years wasn't it? Shouldn't they get some blame?
The Legacy purge was just a fraction of the Palpatine purge wasn't it? The Jedi Order survived Krayt's Purge. After Palpatine's Purge, the Jedi Order had to be completely revamped. Was it for Legacy?
Besides Krayt happened because of Palpatine. Makes sense imo.

 

Yes! To Force Smuggler, you listen!

 

Also what about the KOTOR II Purge and whatever happened in TOR?