A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

I would call her rather competent at least when it comes to of-stage teleportation.

Jello once again show his fascist side since he compare a humiliating paint bomb to murder.

 

Lol, uh huh, sure, lol.

 

Let's not forget that they also had the power of Logray on their side.

 

Oh you meant that clip, I though we were still talking about Art Attack.

In that case I admit that he committed robbery and murder, or whatever the judicial term for killing somebody in a fight is, against the Empire.

 

Yeah whatever the EU tried to come up with later on to try to make the Ewoks look tougher they were still just a bunch of teddy bears in the movie.

 

So? The Empire is just a bunch of humans.

 

Who have the technology to blow up a planet and who run the known galaxy.

 

Tarkin was a Grand Moff and he was serving along side "Lord" Vader. Thus his crimes were the Empire's crimes. Bullying shop keepers is also a relevant point, since they were operating on a guilty until lproven innocent point of view and were shutting down free speech. My Jedi sorcery will never be left at the door. And Order 66 is relevant because you must at least acknowledge that it was a clear example of religious persecution and any made up crimes could not be fairly be placed onto the children in the temple.

You have a reasonable point about Count Vidian. I look forward to discussing him with you. It will also be better since I'll have a chance to read the book first and be prepared to present a pro-Jedi and a pro-Separatist argument against his actions.

#JedifortheSepartistMovement

 

*standing ovation*

 

How do you all feel about the portrayal of the character Sabine? When I was first introduced to the concept, it seemed like a novel, important part of the new Star Wars universe that could really become both likeable and relatable. Increasingly, though, it seems like they're determined to create something really awful. While merging art and military prowess is a time-honored concept--see, for instance, the death poems of the samurai--they made her use spray paint, the most decidedly low-life media available. Where she could've been serious and principled, the new trailer depicts someone who doesn't even seem to find the work of their own "revolution" meaningful beyond an evening of hijinks.

I personally feel betrayed by the way this roll out has taken place. I wanted someone to cheer for and instead got a subversive. What about the rest of you?

 

I always expected something of the sort. Not because of having anything against the character type, but because it was too easy to go for the "unique rebel kickass grrrl" route instead of, say, create a deep character as described by Jabba Wocky

 

If you want someone more serious and principled, Hera Syndulla is right over there. Sabine is far more the reckless teenager spraypainting symbols and slogans on alley walls, or throwing snowballs at stormtroopers. If you expected someone using samurai death poems right off the bat from this show, from what the previews gave us, your expectations were a wee bit over-played.

Also, "personally betrayed"? Because of your own expectations not panning out over a show that hasn't even started airing yet? You're personally betrayed because of what someone else created that isn't what you wanted? I pity the cooks at restaurants you frequent if that's all it takes for you to feel personally betrayed.

I'll cheer for Sabine. I want her to have her fun, but I also want her to grow into a strong and expressive young woman who uses her personal expressions of art to combat the uniformity and conformism of the Empire. I hope that the show stays on the air long enough for her to have that journey, since she's clearly not going to have a spotlight on her until Ezra and Kanan (at the least) have their turn. I hope we learn more about her, get to know her backstory, see her relationship to the planet Mandalore, give her some adventures of her own that show her that being a rebel means more than just thumbing your nose at the men in white armor.

 

Um.

 

I was originally going to complain about this short, but given that the 7 minute preview for Rebels had a shockingly high trooper death count... I'm not exactly offended that she 'didn't' kill them for once. At worst, it's inconsistent. At best, it shows they aren't outright killers as some here are arguing.

Still taking a wait and see approach, but the show's somewhat improving in my eyes. I just hope it shakes off that slightly juvenile/amateurish feel a bit quicker than TCW did (by season 3, and even then only maybe the second half).

 

Wow! A great response! I may disagree with you, but I sure respect your skill in defending the Empire! I doubt I can offer any sort of adequate response. Still I will try.

First a matter of clarification: I'm not a rebel if by that you mean a member of the Rebel Alliance. I am a part of the Separatist Holdouts; granted I support union between our to movements so my point is really irrelevant in the big picture.

In the Death Star Vader and Tarkin are equally to blame. As Palpatine's second in command, Vader could have stopped Tarkin, but he didn't. If the "emperor" had any interest in justice, he would have disciplined his apprentice -- he was the only survivor after all. Instead, Vader's position was unchanged or even higher. Furthermore, Palpatine controls the Imperial economy, so he had to be aware and approving of the construction and purpose of the Death Star. After seeing how it was used, there was no apology or official statement condemning the actions of Tarkin, whose philosophy the "emperor" must have been aware of prior to giving him such a high rank. The only Imperial response to the Death Star, was building a second one, larger and more powerful than the first. This one was commanded by Palpatine himself. In looking at the details, it is obvious that Palpatine approved of the Death Star and its purpose. I doubt he had any problem with the destruction of Alderaan.

I do not believe there was probable cause in the issue of the shopkeeper. They had no reason to suspect him from not having a license. Although, their treatment of him is the bigger issue. In confiscating his merchandise, they mocked him and ate his food. This shows that theywent beyond enforcing the law and were acting as bullies unfit for their rank. Also, his ultimate arrest was clearly do to him blaming the Empire for harming the galaxy -- prior to that point he was only being questioned, he wasn't actually arrested. Since he wasn't actually advocating revolt, his words cannot be considered held against him. He was only expressing his dissatisfaction with the government, as was his right. If he was telling people to take up arms against the Empire, then his arrest would have been just.

I don't think we can accuse the whole Jedi Order, by the actions of four masters -- while I agree with what they did, it was illegal, but so were the actions of Palpatine. A more proper response would have been to lock down the Temple and prevent anyone from leaving. That would have allowed for the culpability of the rest of the Order to be determined. Palpatine had them far outnumbered and could have successfully maintained such an operation. Then we have the Jedi in the field, most of them who would have had no way of knowing what Master Windu had done or planned -- if this is some conspiracy as you believe. Killing these Jedi was in no way reasonable. If you look at Palpatine's actions it is clear that Order 66 was the culmination of a plot against the Jedi and not an attempt to maintain justice. But now on to the real issue of killing the children: the Clone Troopers had overrun the temple. The children stood no chance against them. They could have easily been arrested and detained; they could have even been taught about why the order took place. Those kids could have easily been turned into loyal Imperials. There were many more options that could have been taken with these kids; killing was unnecessary. Why were they killed then? Because the Empire was not interested in justice, how to best solve the problem of a "Jedi revolt" weren't considered. Instead the agenda was to kill anyone, with any Jedi knowledge because Palpatine didn't want anyone alive who could possibly stand in the way of his power. Whether or not they'd actually oppose him was irrelevant.

 

I liked the Sabine clip. She reminds me a lot of Parker (the thief) from LEVERAGE.

.....in fact, this whole show so far reminds me of LEVERAGE. Is Dave Filoni ripping off TNT?.....

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This whole thing just makes me sick. Are you guys trying to tell me there will basically be no good guys in this show at all?

 

Well the Rebels are technically supposed to be the good guys, but that doesn't always mean their actions will be good. Rebellions attract both good and bad people. Also, hopefully how the Empire will have good people working for it -- just because they are the bad guys, doesn't mean good people won't be attracted to it.

From what we know of the show, Herra will be a good person. I think Kanan will be, mostly (he was kind of ruthless in the seven minute clip. I also, don't think Sabine will be bad. I think she's just fighting a war and may combine that with some teenage tendencies. I don't think that's a negative thing; honestly it may be natural for someone to do that. Also, this short doesn't really tell us anything about her character.