Lit Should we just stop referring to it as the EU?

I feel the new stuff shouldn't be called "NEU," because really, it isn't. The EU was from 1978 to 2014. It's now done and won't be changing. Embalmed. The new books, comics, etc. aren't in the same position as as the EU. They are definitely canon, at the same level as TCW and the movies. Not like the EU, with its lower level. So they really aren't a new EU.

I know CooperTFN had a poll on Eleven-ThirtyEight about this. What were the results?

 

"NEU" wasn't technically an option, but it was basically a draw between EU / Canon (my preference) and EU / NU.

 

You guys take this canon stuff WAY too seriously..at least now they will apply some QA and not let ridiculous stuff like the Yuuzhan vong or emperor dolph lundgren clones.

Also there has to be a limit,EVERYTHING cannot be "canon"..not the SW lego series and games and stuff off that nature .
Also theres the thing where a game developer with a really cool idea have to take "canon" into consideration so they cant make it.

All and in short "Canon" needs to go away and die.
Its stupid,pedantic,pretentious and only serves for arguments among OCD fans.

 

Hi, welcome to Lit.

 

I want an off-hand mention from the beginning of the nineties to direct the way the history of the Core is ever described because it was the first one to mention it!

Also Star Tours and my Jar Jar coloring book have to be canon.

 

Don't laugh, Ben, he has a point... at least with QA there won't be any ridiculous stuff anymore, like magic fantasy worlds hidden inside giant spaceships ruled by shapeshifting gods... wait, my bad, Mortis is still canon.

 

Someone needs to let FFG know.

 

Yeah, but Denning's interpretation of it isn't.

 

hi jolly ol chap

Edit: I didnt mean to come of as harsh,but you only get so far with patience listening to people arguing the canonocity of the star wars 87 sticker book versus the 89 one...(ok there probably wasnt one...was it? but you catch my drift)

 

Please permit me to associate myself with this position (a.k.a. "this").

I always thought the canon levels simply meant that if the movies and the books contradict each other, what you see in the movies is right. Not a declaration that they reserved the right to bulldoze the books, so much as a ranking system to deal with all the little inconsistencies and contradictions that inevitably are going to pop up in a universe that large and with that many writers. "We're not TRYING to make these things incompatible, we're just realistic enough to know there are going to be flaws, and this is how you sort them out" kind of thing.

Which really wasn't an unreasonable thing to assume, given how insistent Lucas was on making sure the authors avoid the prequel era or at least wait until his movies had started blazing the trail to make sure they weren't contradicted. Wasn't until TCW that it became clear that no, he really was fine with overwriting everything.

 

Also, related: is there any plan to separate the boards into LEU and NEU, like how the movies are separated between original and prequel?

 

It would be a good idea to just ditch the EU forums completely, and just have forums for the 3 film trilogies, novels & books, comics, games, collecting, and TV shows. All of it, of course, being the new canon. Keeping the old EU literature thread around is just like pouring salt on an open wound. Time to move on.

 

Well, really, that inconsistency started in the OT, as your choice of phrase shows. Darth Vader was probably not originally meant to be Luke's father, nor Leia meant to end up with Han, back when ANH was written - it was thrown in to make ESB interesting, leaving poor ROTJ to become the franchise's first piece of fix-fic, which it did about as well as it could.

But that's not the same thing as "overwriting" in the way we're talking about - with, say, Barris in TCW vs the books. That's more like if ESB had come out and said that the Death Star didn't actually explode, or Obi-Wan wasn't actually killed, or that Leia actually wasn't rescued. Did the prequels ever do anything that blatant to the OT?

 

Leia's description of her "real mother" in the OT is a little hard to explain with her dying a minute or so after Leia's birth.

"She died when I was very young... She was very beautiful. Kind, but sad."

 

The NEU or however it's called would go onto new boards I'd say, I mean it's not expanding on anything. It's officially apart of the DisneyUniverse that's being built up. This board should remain for the discussion of this Expanded Universe. Just because it's over doesn't mean the discussions about it are. Are the PT and OT sections taken down just because there's no OT/PT movies anymore? To many, including myself, this EU is the true continuation of the Star Wars Timeline and not whatever Universe Disney will make.

 

I'd completely forgotten about FFG. I guess them and SWTOR will be the last things that are still adding to the EU.

Anyway, back toward the subject, this is what the Official Star Wars books facebook page had to say about it:

 

On the flipside, in ESB Yoda flat-out says "through the Force, things you will see, other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone" so there is a precedent for visions in the series, especially when it comes to members of the Skywalker bloodline. I've never thought Leia's ROTJ speech really broke the continuity of the PT to OT. Maybe bent it slightly. But I think the dramatic payoff of Luke and Leia's birth with Padme's death (combined with Anakin's death / Vader's birth, etc.) works well enough that you can give Lucas a pass on that one.

 

No, never.

 

Oh give me a break, what exactly was the point to the last 38 years of Star Wars material if so much of it wasn't the real story? If most of it wasn't the real story then LFL marketing has been lying to us since at least 1991.

 

Um, no.

 

There should also be bans on people who try talking about the old books, or large fines. Maybe public floggings of people who openly admit to reading Heir To The Empire.