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A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by JoinTheSchwarz , May 20, 2013.

  1. Starkeiller

    Starkeiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, because choosing to live in a military installation called the Death Star is very healthy.
     
  2. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    What was it called in Detours? I'm drawing a blank. A mall or something?
     
  3. Matt Skywalker

    Matt Skywalker Jedi Knight star 3

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    No one deserves to die and no one deserves to live on the Death Star.
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    More than you might think.

    You refer to the principle of distinction -- that between a civilian and military target. It's not clear the Death Star is solely a military facility. Under the EU, it was a space installation with a massive civilian support staff. It is more akin to a fortified city than a military base.

    But even assuming it was a base, the principles of necessity and proportionality come on.

    Stopping the Death Star -- especially when it's about to blow you up -- is probably necessary. But destroying the entire thing and everybody on it was vastly disproportionate.

    You can argue that there was no other way, that they couldn't just take out the super laser. But it's far from "no ambiguity."

    And we're not even getting into the complications the Rebels face as non-state actors.
     
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  5. Darkwriter

    Darkwriter Jedi Master star 4

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    Okay, what about the janitors and secretaries that just don't have the funds to find a way off? Death Star was taken out not long after Alderaan, it's not like they stuck around complicit for years.

    addendum: also, Princess Leia was in the Death Star prior to sending squadrons to blow it up. With all the sneaking around her group did, you'd think they could have just sabotaged it.
     
  6. Matt Skywalker

    Matt Skywalker Jedi Knight star 3

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    don't they have droids for that ?
     
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  7. JediMatteus

    JediMatteus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    who cares. you ally yourself with evil, even if it is just a paycheck you deserve what you get. Luke did nothing wrong. The Death Star destroyed one of the most important and beautiful planets in the universe. IT HAD TO BE STOPPED!!
     
  8. Starkeiller

    Starkeiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Necessity was blowing up the Death Star, which, whatever it was under whatever laws of warfare, was coming to kill them. The only chance of stopping it at that point was the thermal exhaust port. It was therefore necessary to kill everyone onboard. If there was another way of stopping the Death Star, the Rebels would have considered it. There was not. They only had a million in one chance, and they had to do it simply in order to survive.

    As for the Rebels being non-state actors, that's the only thing that makes them a legitimate organisation. When there is a super-state spanning a galaxy, only organisations that operate outside it can be legitimate.
     
  9. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I like how people assume there's, like, regular bus service or a parking lot on the Death Star that people could just leave.

    I'm not even sure what's going on about this legitimacy business, but you seem to be under the impression I'm arguing that the Rebels couldn't have blown it up. I'm not -- I'm saying that it's not as clean or clear-cut as was alleged. Just because something is justified doesn't mean it's impossible to conceive that it wasn't.
     
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  10. Matt Skywalker

    Matt Skywalker Jedi Knight star 3

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    Guys, it's just a movie. :p
     
  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    That's not true. It's also a coloring book.
     
  12. Matt Skywalker

    Matt Skywalker Jedi Knight star 3

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    I stand corrected, it's also a failed Strategic Defense Initiative.
     
  13. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    The coloring book is totes Legends now.
     
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  14. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Which brings up the question, will Sabine use modern-day teen slang like "totes?" Oh, I hope not.
     
  15. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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  16. Darkwriter

    Darkwriter Jedi Master star 4

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    On the contrary, I hope she does. That would soooo make my month.

    But she probably won't. That kind of slang really dates the medium, more so than animation or special effects ever could. In the 2020s, people will go around saying, "That is so 2014."
     
  17. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    May I ask why? [face_laugh]
     
  18. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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  19. Matt Skywalker

    Matt Skywalker Jedi Knight star 3

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    #HateModernSlang
     
  20. Darkwriter

    Darkwriter Jedi Master star 4

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    I just think it would hilarious. It's so at odds with the seriousness of Star Wars. Like that commercial where James Earl Jones reads emails with modern slang. Not something you expect to see. She is a teenager after all.
     
  21. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Because it'd be so wizard, duh.
     
  22. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Sabine: "So, like, Hera, if you could get me new paint bombs and some junk, that'd be totes cray-cray."
     
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  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    My dislike of modern slang in these sorts of things has more to do with adults thinking they know what's "hip" with kids, which usually sounds dated (like the word "hip") or like they're trying too hard. If it feels natural, it doesn't bother me. Youth slang can sometimes permeate upwards too -- see "totes" for instance.
     
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  24. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    That's why you should always invent your own slang when using fictional characters.
     
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  25. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    ...Did I just walk into a scene from Clerks?
     
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