Lit A/V Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

I'm saying that, while some politicians are more terrible-some than others, all people who wield power are bad people by definition. Power makes them bad people; that is the nature of power. There are politicians who don't wield power (they're usually called unsuccessful), so not all politicians are bad people. If you want to preserve your integrity, stay away from positions of power. You can preserve your integrity while working for the government, of course, but can you be head of state and preserve your integrity? Not when getting there requires not having any integrity.

 

Can you show me the statistics were it says that "Most of worlds in the Republic were dirt-poor $#%holes exploited by their Senators"?
And the way I see it is rather smart to stay on Coruscant since it is the galaxies biggest hyperlane junction and the main spot for everything else. It is just like how many organisations have their main office in the capital city whit the added bonus that you can relatively easy get to anywhere just as fast, something that is rather good for an organisation whose members usually were traveling all-over the Republic and beyond to do their job.
Also can you point to were it is stated that "Jedi stayed mostly on Coruscant where all the wealth was accumulated -- so some it would trickle down to them, of course"?

 

The picture I painted can be seen in the EU, consistently. And in The Clone Wars.

There is no evidence to suggest that the Jedi were any less effective at getting where they needed to be when each individual member of the Order followed nothing but the Force and their own conscience. Ossus was a good place to gather, because they could deal with frontier trouble and avoid becoming enmeshed in Republic politics.

There is, however, plenty of evidence that the Jedi were not doing the right thing in the prequels -- it's one of the main themes of the trilogy.

 

The three Jedi of the OT (that's three) became the heroes because they realized that they and the other 10,000 had been doing it all wrong.

 

I never felt that the Jedi were portrayed as bad in the PT or TCW. I always felt that they were heroes who were trying to do what was best for the galaxy. The only thing I think can be used for an argument that they were handled poorly was Ahsoka's trial. Although. I'd argue this was due to a lack of information in addition to bad information.

 

Some people here argue that Yoda was wrong.

 

I didn't know there was a commentary that mentioned this. Oh well, these things are open to interpretation and I doubt they'll officially canonize the OJO as bad and corrupt -- all we have is what was seen on screen. I wouldn't be surprises if everyone on the story group had a different opinion. I know this topic wasn't about canon, but I tend to take the view that if they don't canonize those things than my interpretation is just as valid as the creators.

 

I don't agree that the arc showed the flaws of the Jedi, in any explicit way (I could always rewatch the arc to see of I notice something different.

I wouldn't have a problem with them setting out to point out flaws in the order, occasionally. The Jedi are flawed, just like everyone else and flaws make characters more relareable. I don't think the Jedi should have a flaw of the sort that is often used in tragedies -- one that leads to their destruction. Anakin is supposed to be the tragic figure in the PT -- how successfully that was accomplished is up for debate -- and so his flaws should he the cause of the tragic event, which they are. It is his flaw that causes the Jedi to be destroyed and the Republic to fall. The Jedi don't need and shouldn't have a fatal flaw nor do I perceive one.

 

Considering what happened with the Jedi relationship under Fey'lya's New Republic and that disaster called the Galactic Alliance it isn't a surprise. I was ready to capitulateto the Empire again after re-reading the New Jedi Order series recently.

 

Just as bad as blaming the Jedi is the opposite extreme: accusing anybody who disagrees with the Jedi in any way whatsoever of being a Sith.

 

Is this really the page to discuss this on. It's been going on for 10 pages now, perhaps if you wanna talk about "Jedi vs Palpatine - right or wrong?" start a new page and don't clog this one since its dedicated to the shows and comics of the Clone Wars TV series.

 

I will have to disagree, I admit that we se many bad worlds but we also see many nice worlds and if I remember right so were many of bad worlds made bad in the time of the clone war or the Empire or were fringe worlds outside of the Republics control.

True but there is also no evidence to suggest againt it.

You have to remember that the Republic back then was smaller, after all Ossus was one of the core worlds and still rather near the frontiers of that time.

I would not say that it is a main theme, we are shown that they jedi have grown stagnant and did not see that their enemies have changed or that the corruption in the senate was something they just could not outride.
Now the problem is what they could have done or should do. Depending on who you ask you get different answers: some seems to want them to become a whole spiritual order who are estranged from the worldly galaxy; other seems to think they should have been more involved with society and worked more to oil the gears of the Republic to turn their Force guided way; others, like you, seems to think that they should become vigilantes who only answered to the Force itself; I have also seen some seems to advocate for that the jedi should just allow the Republic to burn since it would clean out the corruption.
Personally I have no idea

 

If you believe Traviss, the Jedi should have seceded from the Republic the moment Palpatine or the Senate tried to order them to use the clone army.

With "slavery" being a Moral Event Horizon - once the Jedi condoned it implicitly, no matter what the "for the greater good" justification, they crossed a very important line.

Of course - that's Traviss. Others are much more forgiving of that decision.

 

I can understand that point of view but to my understanding the only thing that would have happened if the Republic told the clone troopers that they were "free" (how do you tell them that actually) is that a large majority of the clones would ask for a Republic citizenship and then join the army. This would crate lot of paperwork and give the separatist time to take over more worlds and strengthen their hold on the one they already have. No realistic politician or general in the situation the Republic as in would have done that.
So the jedi probably though that the troops going to fight either way and they probably could save more of them, and other lives, by fighting with them then just abounded them and when the war was over they could begun to fight for clone trooper rights and veteran benefits.
But that is just my understanding of it.