Lit How did the prequels affect the post-RoTJ timeline?

As I myself stated mass movements have begun sweeping up and around more often, they are more recent phenomena though.

And how is it my lense differs from my statements. As it is really human beings are reciting roles like actors on a stage playing parts because from the beginning of time until it's End God has ordained the course of history.

As for the prequels and late EU yes the upper echelons were the focus, and as it is history is made at the upper echelons. The masses intrude upon the stage every so once and awhile and in the past few hundred years have increasing asserted themselves yet as always elites remain as they were.

 

What is it with you people that the concept is something that is not just missed but non-examples are cited in response?

In other words, what about them!?

 

You said that the OT wasn't admiral on admiral battles, but that it focused entirely on figther pilots. I simply countered that, with the upper class generals and admirals we do see in the OT, thus contradicting that point.

The PT had it's fair share of 'lower' class stories as well.

 

Anakin was a slave boy in the PT, Watto a junk dealer. The clones and droids certainly aren't the elite of galactic society, and I'd say the utapauns weren't a galactic powerhouse by any means.

 

Really? What I remember so was one of the complains about the PT that it it turned all Jedi into nothing but lightsabre swingers.

How is that different from the PT?

 

#Borskwasright

Seriously, I would really like a Borsk-POV book. In a lot of cases he outright was on the moral high ground -- Leia threatening a coup comes to mind. Or in Jagged Fel's introduction, where Borsk and Pwoe point out that the Imperial pilot raised in a racist space cult promoting the ideals of a genocidal madman and a facist militarist probably isn't the best guy, and the main characters just shrug it off. Borsk in many ways was a natural reaction to a set of politics that has delegitimized non-humans.

 

I wonder if Kreia's talk about the Jedi and Sith being indestructible "ideas" was inspired by the War on Terror that was frequently in the news at the time that KOTOR II was released.

 

Well in some sense they are so long as the force exists and the light and dark struggle against one another on a mystic level and mortal beings exist to embody that conflict.

 

I'm not saying that sentiment is right or wrong. I'm just speculating as to what inspired Chris Avellone.

 

I don't really see how that relates to the War on Terror, TBH.

 

The Prequels gave birth to the notion of a secular, well-organized Jedi Order. One with a leadership council and a significant role in galactic governance. Prior to that, the Jedi were usually represented as aloof mystics that wandered the Galaxy alone or in pairs. I personally prefer the Prequel idea of the Jedi. It makes them more of a serious force to be reckoned with. Luke's Yavin praxeum was attacked every couple years by Imperials because he was out at the fringes of the Galaxy with virtually no ciivilization around.

 

Well even in the 90s TOTJ stuff the Jedi are fighting Sith and mando invasions, and so on and so forth but otherwise I agree with you.

 

They are also very speciesist about it, "he is a Bothan, that's why he is pouncing on Ackbar" Really he is not just ambitious? I was honestly a bit disappointed that he wasn't 'better' by the end of the trilogy (also what did he do that was corrupt?)

 

The most overtly corrupt thing in TTT was attempting to get Rogue Squadron destroyed because "All who are not on my side are my enemies".

Thanks to Karrde and Leia ensuring that remark was heard across the whole task force, those military people who were mostly on Borsk's side, promptly rejected him.

 

Bothans are by their nature suspicious and Borsk being a politician in a somewhat fragile new government is fiercely suspicious, he's out for himself and his own interests, it may have been written over the top sometimes but anybody in politics will at least develop a modicum of that attitude if they want to keep their career.

 

An unfortunate side effect of the "Planet of Hats" trope, aka "all Bothans are spies". (And ok maybe "corrupt" wasn't the best choice of words since I can't remember him taking bribes or anything like that, but he was a little weasel was my point).

 

Yeah, that was something I found odd. I guess I am used to biowear (all alines are people even if we have different cultures) rather then the Star Trek/next Gen, this planet is like a part of our culture. I didn't mind it with Thrawan (cause all imperials are raciest lets be honest) but the heros doing it struck me as really bad "A Bothan wouldn't know what to do with a military coup if you gave him one". Just odd.

The worst thing you could say about him was that he was ambitious and self serving. So honestly a most realistic politician

 

With Borsk, I think he's all about the game of politics, but played with far greater latitude and less restrictions than everyone else signed up to. But, at the same time, while Borsk declares he wants to win by getting to the top, defeating his rivals, he also knows doing so means the game is over and he needs the game to continue. He's the kind of politician who would deliberately make new enemies just to keep it interesting.

One of the big rules for Borsk is Thou Shalt Not Be Caught and it happens to him twice - once in TTT and then Caamas.

In comparison, I think even Borsk would be appalled by Wartol.

 

EDIT: nevermind

 

I wonder how typical Borsk really was. The other Bothans we've seen didn't tend to be nearly as conniving or sneaky. Of course, the others tended to be in the military, and thus wouldn't have the patience or desire to play politics like he did.

 

Or just did it in a different way possibly

 

Hug a bothan today!

 

Or more, if you're Corran Horn.