Lit Should Mara Jade exist in the nu Continuity?

She can be brought back but do something unexpected.....she never falls in love with Luke.

 

Jacen for me became incredibly uninteresting once he started going dark. They just didn't execute it well at all.

 

That's a fine opinion but to say Jacen is inferior to Kylo as a character or center of a narrative-I just can't even imagine who would think that and that I share a planet with them.

 

It does make one wonder why the decision was made to essentially do a 'soft reboot' with LOTF. I know the NJO series is highly thought of on this board but overall did it get a lot of criticism?

 

Comparing Jacen to Kylo isn't fair to the latter anyway. Jacen had what, dozens of novels and other media where he appeared over decades, and pretty much his entire life story was filled in.

Kylo, on the other hand, has been in ONE movie so far (and he hasn't even played a significant role in any of the novels, comics, etc that they've put out so far), with most of his backstory left ambiguous (intentionally so) to be filled in later.

It's not even remotely the same situation right now. But one thing that Kylo already has the advantage in is that his flaws as a villain are intentional and built into the character. Whereas with Jacen, it was the result of different people having different ideas and not communicating well. One is intentional, the other less so.

 

Belief in the absolute righteousness of your own opinions and ideas is the height of ignorance.

On a broader scale, beyond Star Wars of course, that kind of thinking is even dangerous.

Newsflash: you in fact do share a planet with billions of people who have different opinions than you.

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Because Kylo Ren is an awesome villain and Jacen Solo was a terribad one? I love Jacen Solo who kept numerous pets and made bad jokes. I loved Traitor Jacen.

Did you SERIOUSLY find his corruption arc good?

That is as far from my realm of experience with any Star Wars fan as the Prequels being better than the OT.

Kylo Ren is also an iconic villain now across the globe. Take note.

 

I really liked DNS and LOTF (and FOTJ).

There are a lot of people who did...Despite what some of the more vocal people here may say/believe.

I think that holds true for a lot of SW books most who post here think of as bad. Dark Disciple is a good example. I thought it irredeemably terrible...But there are a lot of people who like it.

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Yep. We need to remember that even though this is an extremely active message board compared to what most message boards are like. It still however probably doesn't have more than 200-300 regular posters.

 

Reminds me of one of my few attempts to contribute to the Wook years ago. I forget the specifics and even what the article was about, but it had something to do with introducing opinion as fact, and the supporting evidence for this fact was a reference to a TFN lit. forum post that aligned with the views on that Wook page. And I was basically arguing that that forum is not evidence for one, and even if it was, it's not a representative sample to support a claim.

I was pretty fresh out of grad school at the time and naively still believed evidence-based arguments were a thing people in general cared about.

Long story short, I was pounced on for "whining," and as I further presented my case, I was just straight up called names and swore at for questioning shoddy evidence. It thought it all very odd.

But an interesting glimpse into how evidence and outcomes have continued to devolve in the US.

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Though I don't think there is much chance at all that Luke and Aphra will end up getting together romantically if they did choose to go that route though the story actually wouldn't be that dissimilar to Mara Jade and Luke getting together in legends.

Aphra (two years into her existence) isn't that much different than Mara Jade was during the original Thrawn Trilogy. Both were introduced as characters directly working with the Empire and enemies of the big 3 and both began working closer with the big 3 as time went on.

If they wanted to they wouldn't have to force it that much for Luke and Aphra to develop feelings for eachother and then the new canon would have its brand new version of Mara Jade. Now if they wanted to turn Aphra into Rey's mom then that would require things to be a little more forced considering Aphra would likely be mid to late forties by the time Rey was born and they have made Aphra look Asian (which Rey obviously is not).

 

Personally, I'm hoping Aphra stays a baddie and gets back on Vader's good side. They make such an awesome duo.

Still, I need to catch up on my Aphra reading so I can see her and Luke interact.

 

Yeah I highly reccomend it. The Aphra series is turning out to be really interesting. They have made it be just as much about exploring the lore of the Star Wars universe as it is about further developing Aphra's character.

 

If she was introduced in the new continuity, I think the marvel
Comics would be a better starting point then in Rebels or a book.

 

I wouldn't mind. I had a dream that she was in Rebels and had a purple lightsaber.

 

But we don"t know enough about his background story and future arc yet. Isn't it too early to decide who's the better character?

 

Okay I'll give you a prediction he will likely be redeemed killing Snoke in Episode 9 or something of a similar effect.

Any NuEU novels will simply fill in his backstory and will not really tell us much more than is obvious.

I wager 50/50 this will be the case.

I could be wrong but I won't admit any such thing until after the last Sequel movie but I doubt it.

 

Okay I'll give you a prediction he will likely be redeemed killing Snoke in Episode 9 or something of a similar effect.

Any NuEU novels will simply fill in his backstory and will not really tell us much more than is obvious.

I wager 50/50 this will be the case.

I could be wrong but I won't admit any such thing until after the last Sequel movie but I doubt it.

Oh and he will likely die.

 

Edit: double post, sorry to any mods watching was a mistake seems when I went back to edit my post it was already posted or wasn't or I hit the button too many times. I dunno anyway truly sorry about that.

 

Even if it does turn out to be that way he would still be a better character than Jacen because (like others have said) he was planned to be that way from the very beginning. Unlike Jacen who was something else entirely in the beginning but whose personality was completely altered in order to give legends their own soft reboot.

 

Well Jacen's change in personality is actually explained. First he was on his years long journey visiting other groups of force users and learning from them. So he was essentialy on a pilgrimage for years and such religious expiriences change people. And of course its clearly shown that the problems of the galaxy weight on his shoulders as he, in contrast to his parents and sister cares for the beings in the galaxy.
This weight, combined with his believes that there is no light and dark side drives him
to use more extreme methods to keep the galaxy stable. And than of course his love for Allana that kicks him over the edge.

I'm not saying that he was justified in what he does but the reasons are there. They are just not as simple and obvious as Kylos.

 

I just want to comment on the irony of a thread about Mara Jade morphing into a thread about Jacen vs. Kylo.

EVEN WHEN SHE'S NOT CANON, SHE'S FRIDGED.

 

I'm gonna have to come back and read pages 2 and 3, but will say that I put something together last year that some people posting here may like. It's in an existing thread (discussion about Kenobi), but I've updated the idea since that original posting. I'll post more in the next day or so.

 

Jacen's IU motivations have been debated on this forum to no end, unfortunately for me I wasn't here at the time to contribute. As it is I still love his character and can't help but get offended thinking or seeing Kylo Ren.

Mara is an iconic EU character and really I don't want here Disneyfied. I have watched Rebels and I despised the way Thrawn has been treated. I don't want Mara given the same fate.

The EU has a few elements that stand out in anything approaching popular consciousness-Mara, Thrawn, Reborn Palpatine, Revan and the Vong.

The first two are popular, the second less so, the fourth a lot, and the fifth unpopular to very controversial.

I don't want the EU to be a strip mine where characters and ideas, and planets and themes are milked for all their worth and then left out to dry as dead husks.

It's disrespectful to the authors that created them, the fans that appreciated them, and those things themselves.

But that's my apparently unpopular opinion.