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I don't think you can reasonably say that, Shane. Trump is a simple man in terms of his intelligence and to some extent has created and lived in his own reality for most of his life.

 

You can't reasonably say with a straight face that Trump decided to fire him without anyone around,his entire staff of advisors, explaining that firing Comey wouldn't end the Russian investigation.

 

This is hilarious:

http://www.businessinsider.com/journalists-brains-function-at-a-lower-level-than-average-2017-5

 

You're talking about a man who genuinely believed he owned a majority of a company because he felt like it, even though he was aware he owned less than 50%.

Trump does not operate in the same reality most people do.

 

You're taking a mighty leap believing that no one around him reminded him or let him know that getting rid of Comey meant the investigation was impeded. That is unbelievable.

 

Trump might be politically inept, but his advisers are not - I believe that is the point Shane is trying to make.

 

Are we talking about the same staff that have allegedly:

Fed him fake news to one up others in the office
Fed him positive news when he's mad about negative coverage
Says things like "How about 2 Brownies instead of 6" to explain how they reason with him
Took away his phone so he could not tweet leading up to the election.

Somehow, I doubt these staffers could convince Trump that it was poor timing to fire Comey. And yes while some may have said it's not going to make the investigation go away, Trump likely heard at least one who suggested it could and chose to listen to that one-even if that one was his own brain. Somehow he rationalized that this was a good decision.

 

Yes. There is no way his people let him fire Comey thinking it would end or impede the investigation. That is not plausible. Yes, it is possible Trump thought that initially, but not that he was not advised to the contrary at all. I knew what would happen just from watching a few newscasts. His advisors are going to give him all of the advice and fallout and issues from firing Comey.

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In other news, nice to see Congressperson Gabbard putting up a fight against the FCC's plan to allow paid tiered services for the net. I don't know how much good it will do since taxation is already here for e-commerce but neutrality and open access is the last part of the free and open internet still standing. I wish her fight well.

 

Shane, it's no different than people who are told that something they believe is in error and continue to believe it anyway. This is a well-documented phenomenon. Most people are able to rationalize things that aren't true, and Trump isn't most people. He's believed things regardless of what he's told.

 

So apparently the NYT and the WaPo stories that just dropped were published right after Air Force One went wheels up.

 

Whatever Trump believed or believes about it is utterly irrelevant. It still would not have stopped or closed the investigation. One of the FBI's purposes, among its many, is counterintelligence and corruption investigations. The Russia investigation(s) fall under both of those in theory.

 

Why does US allow Turks to do whatever they want, in your own country?


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/turkish-embassy-protest-dc.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/politics/turkey-erdogan-incident/index.html

 

Trump knows almost nothing about these things.

I don't want to give the impression that Trump definitely believed it would make everything go away, but I think it's certainly plausible.

 

I wanted to post about this yesterday but didn't. They are claiming diplomatic immunity. That is an attack on OUR citizens. Erdogan also ordered the security on them. Video evidence suggests he forced his security on them. Despicable.

KnightWriter, you are really stretching suggesting Trump doesn't know these things even after surrounding himself with experts about those things. Do you think they just sit around?

 

Again, completely irrelevant to the investigation(s) continuation.

FWIW, I also believe that if Obama had fired Comey when he released that memo about Hillary and the emails thing that whatever they thought they found would have continued to its logical end regardless.

 

I think it is highly unlikely to implausible that he didn't understand from his staff and advisors that firing Comey wouldn't end the Russian investigation. Now, Trump could have said,"I understand that but I'm going to fire him anyway." Sure that could have happened. Trump is that egotistical and would ignore advice. But, someone or more than one person told him that firing Comey wouldn't mean the end. I mean, I knew and I didn't have a staff of advisors around. I just watched a few newscasts that said just that. And it makes sense. Comey is in charge of a large bureaucracy with numerous investigations. Getting rid of him would just mean the public face of the Bureau would need to be replaced but not the entire investigative staff.

 

That's pretty much how it goes most of the time:

Me "You need to vote this way. Voters won't be happy about this bill"
MP "I'll do whatever I want"

Two weeks later

MP "Daniel, why are the local press gunning for my head?!"
Me "...I did warn you"

 

I'm sorry, I can't stop thinking about this latest WaPo story...

This "senior figure" person is very like on Air Force one right now, along with Trump, and the WaPo reporter in the press pool.

I imagine there's a lot of this going on right now:








Okay, okay, I'll stop now.

 

It's interesting to me that after the... what did Erdogan call it? "mistake", with the Su-24, when angry Russians came to the Turk embassy in Moscow and tore off and burned their flag

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and smashed out most of their windows

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Not one Turk dared come out and confront those Russians lol

They are only brave like that here, in the West, in Germany, and the US.

 

Glad to see you've found a way to make this into a race war.

 

Nope.

 

lol, ban you, more like

 

Sergey, that's on you. No nation consists of just bad people.

 

Sounds like a great way to have a small vacation there Sergey.

Anyways, ShaneP funny thing is that they're a NATO member too and in an ally's country too.