CT Secrets of the Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV unveiled

All the talk about spaceships and their design(s) makes me want to listen to.....Hawkwind.

 

Hernalt wrote

Are you saying the original set at Elstree stopped at that wall at a trapezoidal door, and then the set that we call the MF cockpit (with the trapezoid door) was on a separate stage, but was called the Pirate Ship cockpit? I can see how Lucas could have thought it was simply unworkable to try to have the entire Pirate Ship interior on that stage. But that raises the question of what the original Pirate Ship cockpit had built behind it for footage where the sliding door was open. It should logically have been that same corridor going back. Or, was the cockpit simply not built until after the commit date to abandon the Pirate Ship Set for use by Han Solo?

I wouldn't know. However, the stage blueprint with the original pirate starship set (post # 53) doesn't suggest that there would have been enough space to somehow connect the Falcon Cockpit to the pirate starship - and then be still able to comfortably position the camera to take a variety of cockpit shots. Unfortunately I haven't seen the stage blueprint for the final Millennium Falcon set, yet, but the set blueprint we have for the Falcon cockpit -



- appears to suggest a separate film set, add to this that we never get to see cockpit panel / element views from the corridor film set that's part of the big Millennium Falcon film set.

Great observations on the storyboards. The "split" at the end of the white corridor could be an early allusion to the pentagonal hub or just the desire to make the continuation of the corridor look more interesting.

Admittedly, I overlooked the annotation "Imp.[erial] ship" (for a Tantive IV corridor!!!) in that particular John Barry sketch from 1976 (further enhanced by that other production sketch with the "Altair VI" corridor frames, that ended up being a key element on the Star Destroyer set built for ESB) . That part left me head scratching and wanting to hear the full story. Now either there was a miscommunication during production (remember the riding lizard that became the arctic Tauntaun mammal in ESB?) or there was the idea, that the Rebels might actually repel the Imperial borders and end up inside the Star Destroyer (as a matter of fact these vast and long corridors in both the Tavoularis and Barry sketches could have never fit inside the tiny "Rebel spacefighter").

That was a concern in the earlier SW drafts for the Imperial commander of the cloud city prison of "Alderaan" (therefore he had the pirate starship intercept and inspected prior to letting it land) and perhaps an idea that survived all the way until ROJ. The deleted ROJ scenes not only reveal the Alliance personnel manning the Falcon's gunports, but there is plenty of Alliance soldier movement in these scenes - carrying heavy blasters and equipment (starting around 6:00):



I could never quite shake the impression that landing on Death Star II and trying to either take control or sabotage it by a demolition crew might have been a Plan B or C during the Battle of Endor.

Okay, back to the deck plans (in my mind I see myself sitting in an X-Wing - "almost there" - with Mange pursuing me with Vader's TIE fighter - "where are those plans you promised we'd receive"...)

 

How did you figure? I'm standing here tapping my foot...

 

One thing that may help nailing down the date(s) of the Falcon/pirate ship model change: there's a 3rd-draft storyboard showing the new Falcon design parked in the docking bay of the Imperial cloud-city prison base on Alderaan (officially replaced by the Death Star in the January 1976 fourth draft).

Unfortunately, this particular storyboard is undated in the two places I've seen it (The Making of SW p. 223, iTunes edition -- which vaguely dates it between September & December 1975 -- and SW Storyboards: the Original Trilogy p. 54). Even stranger, The Making of SW attributes the board to Joe Johnston, but the Storyboards book credits it instead to Gary Myers.

The Making of SW iTunes p. 215 has other storyboards by Johnston, also sadly undated: two different versions of the Battle of Yavin end-sequence boards, with the second set redrawn to include the new Falcon design (aka the "Hamburger Boogie").

 

Mange

Yes, I know, you rather feel like Vader in the fourth draft of ESB:

VADER

Asteroids don't concern me, Admiral. I want that ship, not

excuses. How long until you can have Skywalker and the others in

the Millennium Falcon before me?

ADMIRAL PIETT

(worried)

Soon, Lord Vader.

VADER

(ominous)

Yes, Admiral... soon.



At the occasion, I'd like to say a big "Thank you" to Hernalt. As a matter of fact, I had wanted to examine the pirate starship development myself, but thought it might distract too much from the issue at hand, so I'm happy that Hernalt contributed these examinations, enabled me to focus on the deck plan drawings instead and - of course - kept the thread afloat and bought me extra time.

Also, he opened my eyes regarding a 'smaller' elephant still in the room, by showcasing all these rather obvious allusions to 2001:



BTW, I find the hallway scene with Vader and his lieutenant (heading for the hammerhead section where they will ultimately ascend a stairway on the port side to get to the cockpit corridor) rather interesting:

First, the scene features two sound effects suggesting unseen bulkhead doors (that didn't physically exist on the film set) opening to let stormtroopers inside that hallway (which the Rogue One filmmakers unfortunately missed, the bulkhead door to the cockpit features a different sound effect).
Second, Vader acts rather surprised meeting Praji there (watch Vader's head movement), apparently he expected to meet him near the cockpit. It looks to me that Praji had gathered all the data Vader might have been interested in and decided to deliver the information ASAP to the dark lord while simultaneously having a watchful eye on the computer room in case additional ship's systems might be failing and constitute a threat to Imperial personnel aboard the Tantive IV.

Thus, when Vader orders him to see to it personally that the stolen Death Star plans are retrieved (which does NOT necessarily imply that Praji put on an MP stormtrooper armor! ), it's apparently not punishment for letting a life pod escape, but rather that Vader considers Commander Praji to be an unusually efficient Imperial officer who is his best choice to do the job.

 

This topic is tough Bantha jerky. I did not see that connection between 'Death Star plans are Not in the (red) main computer' and 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that' - room size red mainframe (that Kubrick felt needed to be large enough for 1968 audiences to believe was a real computer). (See also http://www.blastr.com/2011/07/little__known_sci_fi_fact.php)

Nibelung is on to a missing link. Myers is not mentioned in the paper version of Making of SW77 (2007), but is mentioned in Storyboards (May, 2013). I don’t own the Making of SW77 eBook (October, 2013). (It seems to take a long time for that exclusive content to get uploaded to the Internet in research form, if exclusive content on the Making of Jedi eBook is any indication.) Some closer scrutiny of Storyboards reveals:

Joe Johnston started working at Van Nuys ILM on August 12, 1975 (Storyboards, page 6).

“Very little is known about storyboard artist Gary Myers, who helped out in the art department as work piled up and time was short at ILM.” (Storyboards page 27)

Every frame by Myers that involves Han Solo is of the hamburger, but not of the hamburger with the olive. I think Myers was brought in at the Oh **** moment when ILM knew it had to rework all the storyboards that had the linear Pirate Ship. And the hamburger saucer is there in hamburger-with-lettuce saucer form - but it is not fully formed. It is an invasion of the hamburger-with-lettuce saucer snatchers, and has not gained its fingerprints of the (olive) starboard cockpit and characteristic hull markings, and Odyssey Discovery circular dish. This is easily seen on Storyboards page 41. The Johnston storyboard (dating no earlier than August 12, 1975) shows the Pirate ship design blasting out of Mos Eisley. Right below is a Myers storyboard of an immature hamburger blasting out of Mos Eisley.

Here is the entire Storyboards Index listing for Myers.
27 - Full page of pre-modern SD (with four domes) pursuing Pirate Ship represented to imply Leia’s Rebel Starship. Plus reference to overleaf (page 28-29) which has a centerfold *depicting the Pirate Ship but *labeled “Blockade Runner gets zapped by Star Destroyer. Main solar fin of Rebel craft disintegrates.” We know that the MF did not suffer damage escaping Tatooine. This means ILM did not even need to change the shape of the Pirate Ship in the least in order to start leveraging it as the shape, for now, to depict the Leia ship. (Of less importance at this point is that the circular Odyssey: Discovery main dish is undisturbed by this blast that is labeled the ‘main solar fin’. And so, baring new evidence, that should mean that the broad, thin, linear plating that curves around and connects the projected tesseract cylinders at the middle section of the BR should be considered “solar fins” in GFFA vernacular, and not purely structural members. So in GFFA, it shares some kinship to Cantwell TIE Fighter ‘solar fins’.) I think this is the very earliest representation of Leia’s ship, after ILM knew it could not use the Pirate Ship for Han Solo activities, before ILM knew exactly how to change the model sufficiently away from the Space: 1999 Eagle. So Myers was drawing furiously for the time being, to get some shapes slapped up on the wall. And then Johnston later came through with crucial revisions, once the shape of Leia’s version of the Pirate Ship, aka, Blockade Runner, was beginning to take shape. I do not locate in Storyboards any images with the Newly-BR that has the lattice window hammerhead cockpit. Rinzler may have consciously decided to omit them. Maybe the physical phase of the lattice window hammerhead cockpit was too brief to generate storyboards.

30 It is unquestionable that Gary Myers had visual access to the original Pirate Ship studio model, but was told to use that model in the role that we today know was the Leia Blockade Runner being overtaken by a SD and an escape pod being jettisoned.

41 Myers’ “invasion of hamburger saucer (no olive)” blasting out of Mos Eisley, and also cruising away from Tatooine.

54-56 Myer’s “iothsno” on floating city of Alderaan, with clouds visible, then being chased into space. Because of Myer's ability to capture the likeness of the physical Pirate Ship, it is logical that Myers did not have access to a fully formed ILM studio model of the Millennium Falcon. But could have had access to the very earliest stages of the physical hamburger as it was being designed and assembled, and then Myers added his own texture mapping.

58 Another missing link here is in the form of Ronnie Shepherd. He has the Pirate Ship dropping life pods onto Yavin IV. And we know the Blockade Runner never went to Yavin IV in 1977, so, Shepherd predates Myers. Then, Myer’s “iothsno” approaching Yavin IV. (This is now territory that kitbasher’s author did not venture into, even though his blog is referencing materials from 2014 such as the Rosetta Stone Colin Cantwell auction.^)

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62-64 Myers gets one frame for X-Wings. Johnston’s frames for X-Wings share the same McQuarrie design element that TFA used, which is the half-circle engines on each wing.

68-69 Myers draws half-circle X-Wings and draws the thermal exhaust port at bottom/end of a trench, with torpedoes heading its way.

78-79 Myers draws a modern trench floor double turret; Myers draws an early design of trench floor double turret.

88 Myers draws an obvious subsequent to p68, a closeup of the thermal exhaust port with torpedoes surely going in.
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The quote that Joe Johnston offered in response the kitbashed blog supports a theory that Gary Myers was working off a bleeding edge early design by Joe Johnston, which was only later refined by the Grant McCune suggestion of adding the original Pirate Ship cockpit and Odyssey: Discovery dish.

^ Just one example of how the kitbashed blog could be made even more complete is a treatment of what the “(see book cover)” was that Lucas was referring to when he drew a very rough “Rebel Blockade Runner” that had a long neck, narrow cockpit, wide block engine base, and vestigial wings…

Could it be…

?
And then notice the arrow to that ship from “Pirate Ship”. It’s as if Lucas knew NOT to commit, but to hold both possible, even before the Y-Wing was a concept model. And he let both conceptions proceed somewhat, perhaps duking it out, and he finally settled on the Pirate Ship taking the role of that model. And was comfortable with that. Until Space: 1999.

 

Just to clear up the other stuff in the above Lucas sketch: RF-3 is the prototype Cantwell Y-Wing from the 1975 second draft (where it was a four-man craft with a pilot, tail gunner, and two bombardiers in the belly).

RF-2 seems to be an idea for a third Rebel fighter craft that never got off the ground in the OT: a sleek silver dart based on the ships from the 1930s Flash Gordon serials, akin to the Naboo fighter craft in the prequels.

And (as Kitbashed mentions) the early TIE Fighter concept has a "finned sausage" body rather than a bow-tie shape; as well as a note to check out Harry Harrison's novel The Stainless Steel Rat as reference.

Also, re the revised Falcon design: as I recall, in the January 1976 fourth draft Lucas described the new Falcon shape as a "pirate manta-ship", ie, based on the shape of a manta ray. Which is rather different from the idea of a half-eaten hamburger, but may suggest the additional influences at work in his mind.

 

The secret history of the TIE fighter could be a subsequent research thread. There is probably enough content for at least one full page.

 

Nibelung

The January 1976 draft first features cockpit interior scenes, we proably would not have seen the whole pirate starship until the arrival of Kenobi and company:

58. INT. MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT – DOCKING BAY 94
Chewbacca leads the group into the giant dirt pit that is Docking Bay 94. Resting in the middle of the huge hole is a large, round, beat-up, pieced together hunk of junk that could only loosely be called a starship.

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/...ller-as-taken-from-the-journal-of-the-whills/

I've not (yet) been able to find a "manta ray" description, if you know where that one might be please tell us.

Hernalt wrote

I did not see that connection between 'Death Star plans are Not in the (red) main computer' and 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that' - room size red mainframe.



Considering all the (deliberate) design allusions to 2001 you uncovered it looks to me that the illumination of the room behind Praji isn't accidental (why not blue, green or yellow?). Add to this that the control console of the Bay 327 control room later aboard the Death Star is red and has "computer" 'written' all over it because of the monitors and (Dark Star computer room green) corridor schematics.

 

It's in scene 233: "Out of the sun charges Han Solo in his pirate mantor-ship heading right for the tie ships." We know Lucas meant to say "manta" rather than "mantor" because that's what JW Rinzler corrected the spelling to when he excerpted the script in The Making of SW. (Special Editioning extends farther too: some SW books feature scans of Lucas' handwritten notes with misspellings digitally corrected!)

 

Thanks for the heads-up, now a manta ray looks something like the above. Wait a minute! Didn't Hernalt find a production anecdote / Lorne Peterson quote, where the Falcon was originally supposed to fly 'vertical' and rather resemble a manta fish?

 

I. The primary source for the "sunfish" was from "Cinefex" magazine #65, where Kevin H. Martin is quoting ILM staffer and model maker Lorne Peterson:

Considering Joe Johnston got carte blanche to design this, and Peterson is using the term "mandibles", it may be possible that the mandibles in a vertical alignment themselves avail very sensibly as an early conception of the Falcon being a (not tractor trailer) freight pusher. It would form a more intuitive image than does the modern rendition. The Most intuitive imo would be if the cockpit rotated up to the top of the whole thing, to stay relative to the galactic plane. In this configuration pictured, Han Solo cannot see off his port, and will have trouble making blind left turns. He would have to adopt the UPS policy of making three right turns wherever conceivable to form a left turn, thereby shaving off seconds off his run. { http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/ups-trucks-no-left-turns/ }


II. Something suspicious might be going on on Rinzler Making of page 51. Hard to tell when exactly this happens; maybe April 1975 or later. Seems to have to do with studio budget pressure. And it might bear on a moment of curiously high resolution that Rinzler pays to two sketches on page 87, where Rinzler distinguishes between a Blockade Runner (three engine) storyboard and a Pirate Ship (4-3-4 array engine) storyboard. Which invokes a particular Johnson sketch of a three engine long linear ship that is documented as "Blockade Runner":

See also the Rinzler commentary on page 72. This ship right here is another missing link. It is not represented in this shape or topography at least, in Rinzler Storyboards. It is obvious that it shares design elements with the Pirate Ship. And that both ships bear passing resemblance in certain design elements to the Odyssey: Discovery, and to either or both of the long linear Colin Cantwell models (I call them CC01 and CC02). This will take some work to tease out. Right now, it appears to me that a studio third party cost estimate for special effects occurred around a period, perhaps starting April or May 1975, during which this model pictured here was abandoned for use as the Leia Rebel Ship AKA Blockade Runner. That left the Pirate Ship for use in storyboards, whether those storyboards were for Han Solo or for Princess Leia (hypothesis).

III. Regarding control panels.

Spoiler

Harry Lange merits more coverage than Rinzler gives him. I can only assume that Rinzler did not task himself to dig to the roots of 2001: A Space Odyssey, which was not necessarily his mandate.

Rinzler Making of Star Wars, p64.

John Barry never worked on 2001: A Space Odyssey but did work on A Clockwork Orange.

Rinzler Making of Star Wars, p65.

Colin Cantwell did work on 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Rinzler Making of Star Wars p36.

Rarified sketch of Harry Lange.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lange_(film_designer)

Obituary.

From: http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituari...or-blockbusters/2008/07/09/1215282922994.html

Harry Lange’s true mass has been brought to public light only recently. If there’s a mechanical ship-thing that you see in 2001, it passed through his hands. He either designed it outright, or he gave it its primordial sketch, or he signed off on it, plus or minus a very small amount.

The 2001 File: Harry Lange and the Design of the Landmark Science Fiction Film, Hardcover – September 30, 2015
From: https://www.amazon.com/2001-File-Landmark-Science-Fiction/dp/0957261020

Harry Lange is not the scientific originator of the designs he produced. That role goes to Frederick I. Ordway III. That story for another time can be found here: “2001: A Space Odyssey in Retrospect by Frederick I. Ordway III Special Consultant, Alabama Space and Rocket Center, Huntsville, Alabama; scientific advisor and technical consultant to the film 2001: A Space Odyssey.”
From: http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0075.html

For the time being, I am not determined to track down specific set design elements in GFFA that are rooted in Harry Lange. Lange designed the control panels on the MF, at least.
https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2014/07/behind-scenes-graphics-genius.html

Apparent emulations or homages in SW to 2001 may be entirely independent of Harry Lange and sourced in Lucas and production designers whose work Lucas signed off on.

One homage I have seen that would/could be sourced in Lange would be the Odyssey’s octagon air lock corridor, the round corridor Luke is in on Cloud City, and the promotional tv spot corridor that Jyn was in on Scarif. Line those up and see if there is an accident.

 

I think it's safe to assume that the Falcon's mandibles didn't originate from somebody taking a bite from a hamburger, but rather the manta ray...

Here is Peterson "sunfish" to illustrate that animal:

 

Interesting to hear that the rotating-cockpit idea (not) used for the B-Wings in ROTJ originated with the Falcon on the first film!

 

Lt. Hija. The "SET INT REBEL SPACEFIGHTER" to my eye and poor resolution is dated 8/6/76, but could also be 5/6/76.

Making of p 210-211 gives a date range June 29-July 16 that includes the INT Rebel Starfighter scenes.
5/6/76 might be a reasonable start date to start adding white corridor set to previous existing Pirate Starship set.

 

Hmm... Lt. Hija Where are those transmissions you intercepted?

 

Update: Besides the aforementioned storyboards of the two Millennium Falcon designs in the return to Yavin, the 2014 Star Wars Storyboards Original Trilogy book has two boards in another place of the same scene using the two different Falcon designs.

For the Falcon's takeoff from Mos Eisley (p. 41 in the book), Joe Johnston boarded a drawing with the original design, with the notation "pirate ship going away". A later board with the revised Falcon design -- or rather the cockpit-less "manta" variant seen in that one board of the Alderaan docking bay -- is credited to Gary Myers. This too has a note on it, presumably from or to Joe Johnston: "Joe: look at film/matte shot; conform to film". In both boards the Falcon's takeoff angle doesn't match the film elements; the ship in the finished shot goes in roughly the opposite direction.


Regarding the ESB storyboards for the Battle of Hoth in the same book: Joe Johnston was now including copious homages to Moebius' Heavy Metal comics in his boards.

Johnston points out (p. 110) that while one of Nilo Rodis-Jamero's storyboards features the AT-AT head from the final walker design, one of his own boards "shows a walker design that was still on the drawing board". In fact, it has the same head used on the prototype AT-AT walker design featured in Hasbro's 1990s "Series Alpha" toy line. Interesting that Johnston should take such pains to highlight it.

Later, Johnston notes (p. 118) that his initial design for the snowspeeders was meant to look like a repurposed Y-Wing cockpit, though this is much less apparent in the final iteration.

Nilo Rodis-Jamero also explains that the ion cannon originally had a much more crucial role: "As originally conceived, the Imperial forces had blanketed Hoth with a protective 'electronic net,' effectively sealing in the rebels. The ion cannon blasted through this 'net,' allowing the fleeing rebel ships to escape. Prior to digital visual effects, however, the look was not convincing enough and was dropped."

Later, there's an interesting comment from Nilo Rodis-Jamero (p. 127), about an effects shot used in the ultimately deleted scene of General Veers' death: "While shooting this scene at ILM, the headless miniature walker wouldn't fall over, take after take. Frustrated, stop-motion animator Jon Berg drilled a hole on the set under the walker's hind foot and finally tipped it over -- with a broom handle!"

Especially intriguing since the 2011 Blu-Rays featured this deleted scene... but the shot in question was included only as a pencil animatic.

 

Thank you for original research. That Gary Myers is a missing link.

 

Mange wrote

Where are those transmissions you intercepted?

Apologies. Well, real life work was pouring in from all sides during the last weeks with me just being approx. 8-12 hours away from finalizing and presenting the Tantive IV deck plan drafts. It's really frustrating.

And on top of that, photobucket just told me that I'd have to start paying money if I want to post images here. Looking at all the places in this thread where I recently posted all the new visualizations (that were already labor-intensive), there are now just these 'no hot-linking' photobucket icons.



I don't know yet how to fix the issue. Probably I start first with posting just the image link codes for the images that have gone missing (great, another waste of precious time) and then find a new way to illustrate the other items including the deck plans.

 

Wow, that's terrible. You might try Imgur instead?

 

Back to the OT, here is a mysterious scene that should be fun deciphering (it may, perhaps, be the only scene EVER shot in the pirate starship film set representing the main hallway of the Tantive IV...) before Lucas was able to add the white main hallway!

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/plot-holes-in-the-ct.50010529/page-18#post-54424500

 

Yes, that was supposed to occur in the main passageway of the Rebel ship.

 

Okay, it looks as if I can still provide the access codes for the images (starting in post # 51) that were removed from hotlinking by Photobucket

<a href="http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Hija-Comsol/media/Rebel Blockade Runner design evolution_zpsixr2ndyo.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/Hija-Comsol/Rebel Blockade Runner design evolution_zpsixr2ndyo.jpg" border="0" alt="Rebel Blockade Runner design evolution photo Rebel Blockade Runner design evolution_zpsixr2ndyo.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Hija-Comsol/media/Corellian pirateship with hammerhead interim stage_zps4oyvb3oz.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/Hija-Comsol/Corellian pirateship with hammerhead interim stage_zps4oyvb3oz.jpg" border="0" alt="Rebel Blockade Runner large cockpit window interim stage photo Corellian pirateship with hammerhead interim stage_zps4oyvb3oz.jpg"/></a>

MP stormtroopers near lander module not viewable (WTF, some of the images can be watched by providing the codes, but most of them don't show )

<a href="http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Hija-Comsol/media/Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV cockpit with miniature pilot_zps6cpn9trl.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/Hija-Comsol/Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV cockpit with miniature pilot_zps6cpn9trl.jpg" border="0" alt="Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV final cockpit with miniature pilot figure photo Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV cockpit with miniature pilot_zps6cpn9trl.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Hija-Comsol/media/Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV hammerhead width determination method_zpsa4gjedy5.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/Hija-Comsol/Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV hammerhead width determination method_zpsa4gjedy5.jpg" border="0" alt="Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV size determination based on cockpit miniature pilot or door photo Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV hammerhead width determination method_zpsa4gjedy5.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/H...Tantive IV computer room_zps4r9ktoxb.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums...nner Tantive IV computer room_zps4r9ktoxb.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV computer room_zps4r9ktoxb.jpg"/></a>

These are the ones I was able to repost, still don't understand why all the others can't be shown / seen.

 

I tried this twice and I had to log in to my own photobucket account to see your images. You should test their visibility after logging out.