Lit From Endor to Exegol - The State of the Galaxy Discussion Thread (Tagged Victory's Price Spoilers)

That's a questionable statement as there are large numbers of uninhabited and empty space in the galaxy unlike in, say, Earth.

 

I truly wish we had more info on the Republic pre-TPM in the NEU. I'm not a huge fan of the "Galactic Republic" and "Old Republic" delineation, but if I imagine the reborn Galactic Republic as basically being the post-Ruusan Republic from Legends, it actually works. The more we understand the foundation, history, and setup of the Old Republic, the more we can compare and contrast it to the New Republic. Especially when we look at the bedrock body for each government, the Galactic Senate.

I've often wondered what was the impetus for the Republic to be formed in the new canon. Was it an outside threat? A desire to avoid aggressive colonization wars? All governments are created by circumstances that bore the environment they were formed in. It would make our analysis of the New Republic's strengths and weaknesses that much more interesting, but I don't see TPTB diving into the early Republic's history any time soon. The most we've got is what Pablo's Propaganda guide says, which focused more on the post-reformation Galactic Republic, not the Old Republic.

--Adm. Nick

 

Mind you, I always thought it was interesting the Old Republic worked like the Federation. Planets joined because it benefited them rather than because of a drive to build an empire.

 

I think they should have maintained the established history from the Atlas and Guide to Warfare. General history that did not have anything to do with any of the characters that were maintained into new canon.

I found the Pius Dea Era, the Alsakan Conflicts and the expansion of the Republic and the troubles with it interesting.

 

It is a silly retcon, especially when you consider that the "Old Republic" was a galaxy spanning democracy with a Senate and Chancellor, protected by the Jedi Order. The same things that the "Galactic Republic" was.

SWTOR is thankfully non-canon, but that damned mentioning in Rebels and a few other tidbits have made this an unnecessary mess, IMO.

The Galactic Republic is the Old Republic, period!

--Adm. Nick

 

It's curious that out of 5000 years of in universe history, no planet or system has a bicameral parliament. Like a house of reps and a senate. Let Palpatine try dissolving both at the same time!

 

But we don't necessarily know that yet, do we? The Jedi Order existed during the Old Republic, yes, but I don't believe we have any information on whether there was a Senate or a Chancellor, or even that it was a democracy. Propaganda says that the Old Republic was "reinvented" as the Galactic Republic. The government that existed prior to the war against the Sith might well have been very different from what was established afterward.

 

Mind you, there's certain connotations to calling it a REPUBLIC.

 

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea says hi.

 

Yes, because we should totally expect that kind of subversive "the Jedi were evil all along!" in Star Wars.

 

1) Very few people have that outlook, that because we know the end result the journey is less enjoyable.
2) You seem oddly obsessed with 'shipping Luke, even in conversations not related to 'shipping.

 

I tend to favor the less contrived backstories but in this case I like it, mostly because it reminds me of oh-so-many European republics.

 

I always found that interesting

 

It's a valid point, though. The name "Old Republic" need not imply at all that that government adhered to the modern definition of the term "republic." There's nothing subversive about that, it's just reflecting the fact that the term has historically been applied to a variety of forms of government and that we don't know enough about the "Old Republic" of canon to make assumptions about how it was organized.

 

Hu?

I don't get this, what is your issue with SWTOR? Since in legends the GR WAS the old Republic.

Cannon now says there was an even older Republic (which seems like the pre-russan Republic)

Or are you saying you just don't want the Republic to change at all in the X thousand years it existed?

 

Roman Republic, which the early Legends Republic reminds me the most of. It may have had elements of a democracy but it was Core aristocrats ruling at the end of the day. And yeah The Positive Fan said it well, it doesn't have to mean that during its thousands years of existence, the Republic had the exact same kind of government.

If we're still talking Legends... Jorus C'Boath, Jedi Covenant, post-NJO NJO. The whole reason for the first Schism was Jedi being overly dogmatic. Also the Jedi were hardly tied into the Republic's government up until the Army of Light times and then the Ruusan.Reformation. They had an on-off relationship with it.

 

Wasn't it implied in the prequels that there may have been such a delineation?

Palpatine says in AOTC: "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two." Then later, we hear, "There hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic."

Yet, in ANH, Obi-Wan says, "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi have been the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."

And since the movies are canon...

 

Mind you, Lucas more or less admitted it was a flub. Fans just ran with it.

 

It's why I suggested one be the Old Republic and the other the Ancient Republic.

 

Palpatine has also said "one more the Sith will rule the galaxy." And the existence of a preexisting Sith shrine on Coruscant was revealed in NuEU. The Jedi might still have protected the Republic through those times but I imagine people felt change was needed then too whenever this story gets told.

 

I haven't read the Propaganda guide is awhile, but I though it stated outright or implied that the Galactic Senate and Chancellor roles were part of the "Old Republic" as well. If not, I'm still leaning that these institutions aren't new at the 1000 BBY reorganization.

I'd love more info, as it would be interesting to see which "republic" the New Republic viewed as it's model for it's government. We know that there were differences, but any organization that's primary aim in the restoration of the Republic must had some sort of role model in mind.

--Adm. Nick

 

Didn't one of the Aftermath books imply that Mon Mothma wanted to restore the Galactic Republic's constitution, but because it was still amended with Palpatine's Emergency Powers Act, there was some hesitation to reenact it? So, would it be her Republic and not the pre-reformation's Republic?