Lit MACLUNKY -- The Lit Forum Maclunky Thread, v3

Well they made a huge announcement city wide vote that were known by these white supremacist crazies well in advance.
And what did they achieve? The state court stayed the statue removal for 6 months due to a historical society took the issue to court. It's staying for at least 6 months due to historical value. A scum killed an innocent person. The victim could be living right now. I thought everyone was for saving lives so much they want to surrender the first time they could.
I am not defending white supremacy here. I am defending equality. And Trump gets condemned?! for not blaming the right enough? What is he supposed to do as US president? He already said blame is on all sides. Is he supposed to say All hail non white supremacy?
And mods, should someone want to continue this line of discussion (I don't) Maybe move these comments down to the JC Community US Policy thread? This thread is for Literature social.

 

This is an off topic thread for the lit forum. I don't see why we can't talk about it but let's be clear. Star Wars is about a fight against Space Nazis. We are discussing real Nazis and what they are doing now in 2017

 

He's supposed to condemn supremacy, which he did by saying blame is on all sides. He's not supposed to condemn whites or a political spectrum (alt-right).

 

It's not that hard to condemn white supremacists Mu, and this is not the first time Trump has failed to do so.

 

Pray tell, what form of supremacy was being advocated by the counter-protestors?

 

I don't think you understand what the left is about. We are not people who wanna stand down. Look at Ferguson. BLM has faced down fing tanks. It is not on us if some ahole wants us to surrender. You wanna know what we call someone who tries to get people to do something by making an example via fear? That is called terrorism. We do not kneel to terrorists. if they wanna show how evil they are that is not on the people they hurt, that is on them for hurting them.

Also the president saying all sides is wrong cause all sides where not wrong in what went down. One side had armed militia and ran a civilian over, the other peacefully protested when at gunpoint and after a flat out terrorist attack. As US president he should openly oppose the LITERAL NAZIS KILLING THE PEOPLE HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STANDING UP FOR. If someone shot you in cold blood and all you did was throw one punch in self defense and a police officer made a statement that said "it is tragic that there was violence on both sides" would you feel all right?

This clown of a president had a panic attack over Obama not referring to a terrorist attack as having been done by "radical Islam" and yet when white supremacists commit a terrorist attack on HIS SOIL he refuses to identity that it was white supremacists. Also "non-white supremacy"? If that is what you think the left is about then you REALLY don't get it. Equality does not mean talking around the fact that an america based radicalized white supremacist group that worships him, killed one of the people he is supposed to represent.

 

Also Trump has denounced everyone but the literal nazis
https://twitter.com/OhNoSheTwitnt/status/896696294458183681

 

"Nazis are bad" should be the easiest statement for a politician to make.

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Trump accepted the KKK's endorsement....well, one of the KKK's endorsements.

I think that pretty much said where he stood on the issue.

I don't see why anyone would be surprised otherwise.

 

He could do what Roosevelt did, which was addressing and condemning the Nazi movement by name.

 

Yeah a bunch have said it in the past few hours, it's almost as if Trump's refusal to say those words is telling of something.......

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/david-...lly-to-fulfill-promise-of-trump-1023420483642

Yeah.

 

It bears repeating... the "Alternative Right" (now the Mainstream Right because of Trump's election) is all about White Supremacy. They focus on Christianity and Patriarchy too, but Race is a dominant feature. The KKK in recent decades has shifted to being anti-immigrant (especially Latino) and anti-Muslim. What is Trump known for? The Ban and the Wall. This is a pattern.

 

I remember the exact moment when I realized my Southern heritage was awful. When I saw Confederate flags being flown with Nazi ones and not a damn person cared or noticed.

Admittedly, I was eleven.

 

On a slightly bright note, it is good to see how on some level this has really shown where people stand. The Nazis are not even tip toeing which is scary but it also makes the rest of us more united in a way. I mean I am a bit less depressed right now cause all of us here are very much taking a stand openly. it is a bit of optimism to be found in so much fear and tragedy.

 

For a kind of silver lining, the racist side of the support of the Alt-Right and certain politicians caused them all to come out into the light and cast aside their disguises to say what they really felt.

What was good about this is they discovered, in fact, much of the country loathed and were disgusted by them rather than hiding behind a veneer of political correctness.

The Empire and its supporters have shown their true colors.

 

We will see what happens come the next election. You see in the last I wouldn't have dreamt that a man who'd openly boasted about groping women and had done the whole Birther nonsense and who then openly got into a verbal fight with a Family of a dead soldier could possibly be elected President. I was proven wrong

 

My general election coverage doesn't actually make me feel that bad about the Trump election because I can pretty much point to exactly what caused Hillary to lose the election. The four states which went for Obama that didn't go for her were all the ones in America's Steel Belt (i.e. the Rust Belt) which have been suffering steady industrial and economic decline for decades. Trump made many promises (none of which have been fulfilled but he's tried to pass his anti-environmental regulation off as) to help repair the suffering in those regions. Hillary, notably, declined to campaign in some. She was, correctly, viewed as a candidate of foreign policy when the USA felt we needed a domestic candidate.

As such, I generally believe Trumps election was born from the economy versus nativism, though he certainly got the nativist vote.

 

Another area Hillary failed at was when she did remove Sanders from the running, she failed to co-opt any of his policies to get his very angry independent base going to her. She continued her exact same policies as before when much of the electorate was fired up for "change."

Trump also, for all his reputation as an awful human being, also has a reputation as a man famous for reinvigorating real estate. There were also other promises which have not been met like increasing the amount of free health care available when the current coverage amounts to, "better than a bare bulb."

So yeah.

It's also a note Trump generally won by a few field goals rather than touchdowns in almost every state. It, like George W. Bush's "win" (I use quotations because there's still many questions about election fraud--real election fraud not "alternative fact" election fraud) over Al Gore, could have gone another way with minor changes.