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A/V Episode VIII - THE LAST JEDI - Official Movie Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Karl0413, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. ifleninwasawizard

    ifleninwasawizard Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not a big TFA fan but I'm weirdly OK with this and I'm not totally sure why. Maybe it's because one person will be able to leave their own personal imprint on the ST. TLJ will be one act in what is essentially Abrams trilogy. Maybe it was too much to go from Lucas's tight control over the series to a new trilogy that had basically a new creative team for every film. Some creative continuity could be a good thing.

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  2. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



    So I guess Trevorrow was fired for not being terrible enough? He got in the way of LFL's commitment to making literally the worst set of Star Wars movies possible?



    So I guess I was probably lying all those times I said I could never hate a film more than TFA?
     
  3. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Pretty much this

    So it's RTJ mk2 with Lens flares and a mystery box plot
     
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  4. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    I liked TFA and I am so disappointed right now.
    Can't wait to find out about whatever unsatisfying @$&#?%€ mystery box idea he has for this one.

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  5. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    NJO series as my ST. So let the TPTB do what they want for this movie trilogy.
     
  6. The_Forgotten_Jedi

    The_Forgotten_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    ...well crap. I also liked TFA, but I got tired of JJ Abrams real quick. Half the time he seems more interested in creating mystery about the film than the actual film. Getting Rian to do back-to-back films to close out this trilogy made the most sense to me.
     
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  7. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I actually consider the Dark Empire Trilogy as the sequel trilogy, because it brings closure to Palpatine and Plagueis' quest for immortality mentioned in ROTS. And amazingly I don't think that was even the intention at the time! (Dark Empire was published some 14 years before Revenge of the Sith).

    I actually spent the last few days thinking up a Legends Episode 7 taking place after Crucible but before Legacy, with Jaina abandoning Jag and their kid to become Kyla Ren, killing Han, and Luke hiding from the Jedi to search for the First Jedi Temple. I'd probably think up my own Legends versions of Eps. 8-9 when the movies come out. :p
     
  8. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Master star 4

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    Not reassuring.

    Pleasure knowing ya, Luke.
     
  9. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The Thrawn trilogy, DE1 (don't particularly care for DE2, EE) and the Jedi Academy trilogy make an interquel trilogy of trilogies imo between the OT and NJO series.
     
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  10. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Abrams coming back to do IX was pretty much the obvious expectation next to Johnson doing it. But where did Chris Terrio come from?
     
  11. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    Not my favorite choice, but it makes sense.
     
  12. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    How does it make sense ?
     
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  13. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Chris Terrio wrote Batman v Superman right? Batman killing villains, trying to kill Superman without evidence, and Superman sacrificing himself needlessly when Wonder Woman could have used the kryptonite spear.

    With Terrio writing, Luke will be shooting down stormtroopers and showing no mercy to the villain:
    Finn: "Did you know that wasn't me?"
    Luke: "Of course!"

    Luke (kills Kylo): Compassion is for those who deserve it.

    and we'll find that Snoke keeps files on New Jedi Order members on his computer, complete with logos and their own theme songs that he designed for them.
     
  14. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    J.J. Abrams made an extremely successful and (despite appearances of this board) incredibly well-liked film that reignited the Star Wars fan community. You'll notice I didn't even make a value judgement there.
     
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  15. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This was actually a big issue I had with TFA itself. A big point is made about how Finn was essentially raised from birth and brainwashed to be a soldier with no identity or ability to think for himself. The killing of his one friend in battle shocks him into action. And he then spends the rest of the movie mowing down all the other brainwashed child soldiers who are the only companions he has ever known with no apparent reaction or moral quandary.
     
  16. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Trevorrow was picked because his film Jurassic World was extremely successful financially. He ultimately was let go, but it seems as if the reasoning in his being hired in the first place (hire whoever made the film that made the most money at the time) hasn't gone away, just the choice in person.

    I feel that unless the actual process of just grabbing whoever made the most money at the time in choosing a director isn't changed, we could have more director firings in the future. Star Wars has already fired 3 since the Disney buyout. Hiring JJ to replace Trevorrow feels like fixing the symptom of the problem (the symptom being director choice, the problem being picking the director solely on how much money they made in their last film) rather than the problem itself.
     
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  17. The_Forgotten_Jedi

    The_Forgotten_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My main issues JJ is how he viewed Han and Leia's relationship and their parenting, so I'm worried about how that will play out with Kylo's story. And I really do not want another superweapon.

    On the plus side, JJ coming back likely means the return of Snap Wexley and possibly Jessika Pava (at least it better, she has easily become the best side character from the new films).

    Supporting material like Finn's story in Before the Awakening did a great job explaining that, but I agree it was not explained at all really in the film itself why Finn was seemingly the only trooper who reacted like that.
     
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  18. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    Abrams has proven himself over years to be a pretty consistently successful creator, and has a generally positive history with the franchise. Trevorrow made one successful movie, and has no real history before that, and has had trouble following it up.

    But yeah, they definitely need to figure out why they're having these consistent problems.
     
  19. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    I don't agree. Most people I know (not on this board or hard core fans) think it was simply a rip off of the originals. Not sure that's well liked.
     
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  20. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    That's entirely anecdotal, while things like Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, etc, show that the movie received almost universal praise.
     
  21. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    I guess we'll just have to disagree on that, because there's no way to really prove either side.

    Review aggregates and audience response do seem to point one way, though.
     
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  22. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I guess my reasons against JJ are pretty personal, so sorry if I can't see things entirely clearly. I thought his 2 Trek films were quite bad (Khan has magic blood? you can transport across the galaxy by changing an equation?). I do get that they made a lot of money, but even Attack of the Clones made a lot of money and many people regard this as one of the worst SW films (including me). Franchise loyalty brings in quite a bit of money, and this isn't taken into account often enough.

    I remember JJ telling everyone that his Trek 2009 film was for new fans. People who know nothing about Star Trek can watch and understand and enjoy. I brought a friend from Tianjin, China who knew nothing about Star Trek to see the film. Needless to say, she was completely lost when Leonard Nimoy showed up. It makes about as much sense as having Sean Connery as Old Bond show up in Daniel Craig's Casino Royale.

    I spent so much time explaining to her the Romulans, who Spock Prime was etc. This wasn't a film for new people. She hated the film, (I thought it was fairly mediocre as well) and ever since I felt JJ outright lied to us when saying in the media that this film was for new people, that this film was a fan for film fans not Trekkers etc. He didn't please me (a Trekker) nor my friend (a film fan but knows nothing about Trek).

    Remember that a lot of reviews saying TFA is good are based in America. In China, for example TFA was not really well liked.
     
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  23. my kind of scum

    my kind of scum Force Ghost star 4

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    I hope to see Jess Pava back but it depends on how full the actress' Netflix Marvel slate is. Iron Fist and Defenders are the reasons that she wasn't in The Last Jedi.

    As for the JJ news, well... I'm disappointed. I'll leave it at that. I think there are worse choices out there but I am not expecting a great film.
     
  24. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    Yeah, I mean like I said he's not my favorite, and I get why people would have issue with it. I personally was hoping for a woman to direct 9, but it is what it is. I'm just saying that as a corporate decision, it makes sense. And also I generally enjoy his films, so I'm okay with it personally.
     
  25. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Again I disagree. Unless you count his mystery box storyline all he does is jump into other people's creations and try make as much money and get as much credit as he can from them. That's it
     
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