Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

cloneCommando1138, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

The Resistance navy is composed of, entirely, New Republic and/or Rebel warships. Their flagship Raddus was a New Republic heavy cruiser. Ditto the other ships that the Resistance fielded pre-Hosnian Prime.

Now, come TLJ, the Resistance navy is beefed up. New bomber, new cruisers, new frigates. Where did the ships come from? Presumably a mix of the following:

• Scattered New Republic units that rallied to the Resistance
• New Republic member world's defense forces

The Resistance, which has the stated purpose of defending the New Republic, now must fight to preserve & restore the New Republic. They are literally armed with New Republic weapons and wear uniforms acquired from the New Republic, so it is always present. Just in a second hand sort of way.

Also- I'll remind everyone that only the New Republic's federal government and main fleet are destroyed. It's membership is fully intact, it would only take the defeat of the First Order to give those worlds time to re-elect new senators, vote for a Chancellor, and begin re-established New Republic control.

--Adm. Nick

 

and hopefully they don't reestablish themselves as the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. (What a dopey name). LOL.

 

Incidentally that is precisely the time I stopped following the EU. Cripes, and people think what JJ did to the galaxy was bad...

 

I wouldn't mind Gar Stazi getting recanonized though he was the saving grace of Legacy

 

I think people are too harsh on the Galactic Alliance (the longer name was clearly just a one-off metajoke). It was meant to actually progress the universe and correct the flaws of the Republics; it's not the original writers' fault that all that immediately got overwritten and prequelized after the NJO ended.

(I do, however, really wish that Sinre's idea from the One Canon thread about the New Republic being one of the GA's member states had actually been canon. Would have really helped things, not least in preserving the Republic name).

 

Clearly. Just like the 'Alliance to Restore the Republic', and the 'Galactic Empire'.

 

"Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" specifically spells out "GFFA". That's the only reason they called it that instead of just making "Galactic Alliance" the actual name.

 

I've got a lot of problems with the "TIE" Silencer but my main issue is that it isn't even a TIE. I can't even count how many engines it has.

 

I took it as having two horizontal engines, just with a grill on the exhaust.

 

Not to continue to stray off-topic, but I've always liked the idea of the galactic power not being an Empire or a Republic, but an alliance of existing governments throughout the galaxy (ie. Imperial, Hapan, Corporate Sector). To me it makes a lot more sense.

 

I like the idea of the above factions and more ruling their respective territories and having a sort of Galactic UN, where they cooperate towards goals.

 

Thanks for the response. The Raddus seems to have been a NR heavy cruiser that was retired (long before hosnian prime) and somehow made its way into the hands of the resistance. I fear that they will make up some reason that it was inexplicably absent during the starkiller assault, maybe tied up in an engagement elsewhere. It seems to be clear that the Raddus has been in resistance hands for a while now...

What was troubling was that Pablo H tweeted that the new resistance reinforcements "are not from the New Republic". That seems pretty black and white to me, and it is troubling. I would love to have the new ships be NR remnants, but Pablo has basically said that this is NOT the case....bizzare.

 

That could mean they have plans for the NR later on down the line.


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Or that they don't have any plans with the NR at all.

I feel like they're too afraid they would confuse the casual viewer if you had both the NR and the Resistance operating at the same time.

We'll get books and comics explaining the political situation for us hardcore fans, but I'm not expecting much from the movies when it comes to explaining galactic politics.

 

I would have thought as much myself earlier, but it's been known for a while that a fair amount of the situation in Bloodline came from Rian Johnson, so we'll probably see some of that in TLJ after all.

 

I'm wondering if the Raddus was among the New Republic ships deployed to Jakku? It's possible that it was among the ships left behind to protect Chandrila and Nakadia, but I'm thinking it may be retconned into being at Jakku. We know that Ackbar had a large number of MC80's, but having a 3km warship like the Raddus and a trio of large Starhawks would make sense. The MC80's tangle with the ISD's, the Raddus and the trio of Starhawks (Concord, Amity, Unity) focus on punching the SSD Ravager.

Also- I'm wondering if the new Resistance frigate and smaller multi-engine escort ship are also designs that are pre-Concordance? It's entirely possible that they are. On the flip side, it may be that smaller capital ships like these were the bread and butter of NRDF shipbuilding in the peace time years, as they are ideal for anti-piracy and space lane patrol. The NR home fleet would be the strategic reserve, loaded with a mix of older MC80's and perhaps a few Starhawks and Raddus-class cruisers.

--Adm. Nick

 

About those various ships 'helping' the Resistance in TLJ trailer...remember the 'space pirate nation' mentioned in the Aftermath novel trilogy? Could these ships be from that faction? If so at what cost? Likely an Episode IX sub-plot when the 'space pirate nation' comes to collect from the Resistance? Sorta like a bigger version of Han owing Jabba...except in this case the Resistance owing the pirate-nation leader(s)?

 

Hey I think that unidentified neo-lambda shuttle seen in the TLJ trailer is the same thing that appears in the latest Poe Dameron comic, don't have a good pic handy though

 

Edit: Sorry, double post

 

I fear that we won't get any NR in the last jedi...I wish that they would trust the intelligence of the casual fan enough to explain the state of the NR after it was essentially nuked in the last movie. Hidalgo seems to imply that the NR is essentially destroyed...

As it stands, the only "on the books" battle between the official NR military and the First Order is the Suraz Engagement...I fear that is all we will actually get. I truly believe that the new ships in TLJ will be labeled as "resistance reinforcements" with NO explanation as to where they came from. The spoilers indicate as much. Its a shame because the New Republic is essentially the ONLY thing I was really looking forward to in terms of the politics of this new trilogy. I feel like a big opportunity was missed.

 

Does disney literally avoid the subject of the Nr ( like they do the prequels). Is it because they think the politics of the prequel trilogy was one of the most boring and fan hated aspects? or is it that they think the fans are too dumb to understand the politics of the NR?
Like yourself the thing that would of made this sequel trilogy for me would actually be more space politics and seeing the NR (especially the remnants now)
although this post is a bit off topic...

 

But they don't ignore the prequels...

 

Sorry Double Post

 

I will bet you my favorite Ackbar figure that the visual guide for The Last Jedi by Pablo Hidalgo AND the Cross Sections book by Jason Fry will be chalk full of references to the New Republic. Hell, the first of the new ships we learned about, the heavy cruiser Raddus, is specifically described as a retired warship from the New Republic home fleet. The New Republic is present, albeit secondhand, every time we see a Resistance ship, uniform, or weapon.

As for whether we see the New Republic functioning in TLJ or Episode IX, that remains to be seen. I'll note again that the aim of the Resistance from it's inception was to protect the New Republic from an enemy it wasn't willing to see existed. The Resistance is founded by a former New Republic senator and it's top military commander is a retired supreme commander of the New Republic Defense Force. It's pilots are former Republic pilots, it's ships surplus New Republic hardware.

At the end of the day, it will be up to the Resistance to help restore and rebuild the New Republic post-ST. Again, I'm more than confident that the ties are there and that we still may see the New Republic's remaining forces, either operating separately OR incorporated into the Resistance.

Let's just say I won't be surprised when we see a large Resistance fleet, composed of New Republic warships, in the final battle of Episode IX.

--Adm. Nick

 

Nick, I think you hit the nail on the head. I agree with everything you said.

 

I guess by way of comparison, if there was some manner of nuke strike on Washington that took out the entire federal government tomorrow, would anyone REALLY be in that big of a rush to reform it? Half the country wants nothing to do with the other half. The New Republic, by every indication, was in even worse shape when the Senate was destroyed. It's very likely that the NR responded to Hosnian Prime the same way the Empire reacted to Endor: nearly everyone with a power base rushed back to their own corner of the galaxy to fortress up and wait out the storm. The Republic fleet wasn't destroyed in its entirety, I'm sure, but it may have organizationally disintegrated as captains and crews took their ships home.

 

I'd be really curious to see what exactly Pablo said, and whether he was just trying to rule out those ships being part of a currently active New Republic. I've long suspected that a plot point in TLJ is going to be the problem of the Resistance getting former Republic fleet units to rally to its cause in spite of the lingering mistrust of Leia because of her true parentage. (I suspect this is why LPOA established that Leia and future Admiral Amilyn Holdo have been lifelong friends - because that's the "personal" aspect to this storyline).