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Lit The Essential Atlas and Galactic Cartography: Official Discussion

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CeiranHarmony, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Jason, a small question about a detail from the Atlas. At one point a species called the Nartians, who are stubby little guys with four arms, is described. Are these meant to be the same as the stubby little guys with four arms who were always popping up in the background of WEG illustrations? I've wondered that for a good while now as the description does sound very similar.
     
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  2. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hmm, I wonder if Gatalenta has been placed yet. It is pretty prominent in the New Republic, my guys says Core, but I am curious. I am still very curious about Mirrin Prime too.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  3. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    It's funny, I had to deal with some flooding at my apartment, and ended up finding my full-sized print-outs of the old galaxy maps from the Essential Atlas days - the Outer Rim, the Tion Cluster, the Knight Errant map... ah, the golden days of SW cartography!
     
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  4. jasonfry

    jasonfry VIP star 4 VIP

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    Afraid I don't know. (Or once knew and have forgotten.) They were given a homeworld -- Nars -- in the Senex/Juvex for the Atlas, but IIRC that was the extent of our duties. Illustrations didn't come into it.
     
  5. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    So, when do we get the whole thing? Curious. :)

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  6. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Were maps for the sectors of the Core Worlds, Colonies and Inner Rim ever developed? Would love to know what sectors Taanab and Yir Tangee were in.
     
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  7. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Thanks any way Jason. If you did forget, I'll attach a picture of the aliens in question. Might be worth a shot to jog your memory, no? This is them:

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  8. jasonfry

    jasonfry VIP star 4 VIP

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    No. On the list to be done one day but can't give you an ETA.
     
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  9. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Fantasy Flight Games' Suns of Fortune has a pretty good map of the Corellian Sector... ;)
     
  10. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ok, having poured over all the recent TLJ material and looked at some of the older stuff, we are starting to get a rough picture of FO space. The majority are definitely in the New Territories (aka old Remnant Space in EU), with Entralla, Jaemus, Prefsbelt, and Borosk being locations of prominent FO shipyards, ministries, and the like. They have conquered and strip mined worlds like Hays Major & Minor (in the Otomok system, which appears to be Expansion Region in a map from Bomber Command) and turned worlds like Martaus VI into labor camps.

    Their activities in the Known Galaxy are focused on the Trans-Hydian Borderlands, which seem to be the unofficial barrier between the New Republic and First Order Space. They are actively encouraging pirates in the Cassander Sector and harassing the neutral worlds of Mamkoda and Caraxl.

    In short, I'd argue that the New Territories, parts of the Trans-Hydian Borderlands, and the topmost portions of the Northern Dependencies are under FO control pre-TFA. As for which Centrist worlds I'd put firmly in the FO camp, Orinda is located smack dab in the New Territories and had senators that were ardently pro-Imperial. I'm sure that the FO found a way to take over Scipio and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had Yaga Minor too.

    The only pocket of the New Territories that I see the New Republic controlling is that region around Ithor and Taris, which are both NR members. Beyond those worlds, the region is chalk full of confirmed or likely FO members.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  11. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I suspect we’ll have First Order borders and then First Order influenced/protection agreements. I also expect a decent presence in the Western Reaches, and Hutt Space. Neutral powers will be easily prey for the First Order.


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  12. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Unknown Regions and Wild Space are chalk full of potential FO colonies as well. We know that they established a sort of frontier corps that encouraged the settlement of new worlds. The size, scope, and power of the First Order's Unknown Regions holdings are unknown (in intended), but given they are barely 20-30 years old, they are probably more akin to the small colonies we see in Star Trek than worlds populated by millions or billions of people. The Visual Dictionary reinforced the point from the TFA VD that most First Order naval crewers spend their lives on one vessel. That, coupled with Snoke's seemingly lack of interest in a planetary capital, reinforces the mobile nature of the First Order.

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  13. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So from the TLJ VD, does the map of Luke's journey to Ahch-To actually have a starting point, and/or any notable locations he stops at along the way?
     
  14. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He starts somewhere in the Taldot Sector (the one represented by Vasp Vaspar, Rebel minister of industry) and then appears to stop at Kashyyyk. The line goes through Kashyyyk (implying the stop), but the rest of the line doesn't go through worlds listed on the map. Of course, I'm sure he made multiple stops along the way.

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  15. Hamburger_Time

    Hamburger_Time Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wrong thread.
     
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  16. TheRedBlade

    TheRedBlade Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've said elsewhere how TLJ seems, thematically, right at home in the Bantam-era books. The last of these, of course, was the Hand of Thrawn duology, which hinged on the fear that secret military might hidden in the Unknown Regions could hook up with the Imperial Remnant and fuel their resurgence across a huge chunk of the galaxy, with only a fractious, disorganized, undergunned New Republic to stop them.

    All these years later, and we're seeing exactly that.

    Considering that we haven't seen any Chiss helping the First Order, I'd put their western border east of Csilla but west of Illum. Who knows how far back they go, but someday soon we'll have to get a good, hard look inside the Unknown Regions. Considering how militarily capable the FO is, I doubt there's much, if anything, left of the Chiss or Chiss space.
     
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  17. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I have been thinking that too. To be fair, the Caamas Crisis reads like a conflict between Centrist and Populist factions in the Senate - those for and against capital punishment of the Bothans and even Bothan people en masse. Especially what with former Imperials able to serve on the Senate thanks to the adjustment to Senate rules in the New Rebellion novel.

    The Dark Nest Crisis also can be a read as a panic by Cal Omas that the Empire of the Hand will resurrect in response to the Killiks and perceived Alliance hostility and a Neo-Imperial armada will boil out of the unknown Regions - thus him currying favour by appointing Pellaeon as Supreme Commander and even deploying Star Destroyers to blockade Killik worlds. If anything, Formbi was making a veiled threat to Luke and Mara on Ossus when he mentioned that the EotH would arise if the need arose...

    ... I am similarly looking forward to how the Chiss play into the First Order’s origins. I’d like to say that they’re still there behind their borders, quietly staying out of things or offering an alliance with the First Order to enable them to remain intact (as they did in the Galactic Wars era to both the Sith and Eternal Empires), but we shall see.


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