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ST The Last Jedi clarification thread

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Artoo-Dion , Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Confirmation from Pablo as well on this.

     
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  2. Christopher Blair

    Christopher Blair Jedi Master star 4

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    I know a lot of people dont read the books or play the extended Universe games and I know a lot of people have problems with Battlefront and EA, but the game fills in a lot of gaps in the storytelling and once again shows kylo being one of the best Force users to read people's minds which to me comes directly from snoke. it also serves as a sort of prequel to one of the aftermath books
     
  3. MisterJedi2002

    MisterJedi2002 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Where did Holdo's ship go?
     
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  4. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Some interesting interpretations on why Luke went to Crait in here but I will say one of the themes of this film is: Don't Meet Your Heroes. Or maybe: Don't Expect Your Heroes to be Heroic All the Time.

    Rey meeting Galactic Legend Luke Skywalker
    Rose meeting The Finn
    even Poe meeting Admiral Holdo

    How many times in real life have you met celebrities, or athletes or politicians, musicians, etc and they seem disappointing. Or else they are involved in some scandal or hold some views you consider abhorrent.

    Sometimes people that do exceptional things might not be well-balanced or exceptional all the time.

    Heroism is a choice, and it's a choice you have to keep on making.
     
  5. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Everywhere.
     
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  6. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 5

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    What was left of the Raddus after the collision was probably among the debris from the Supremacy that destroyed Snoke's fleet. I love that the size of the Supremacy was turned into a weakness that took out the rest of the fleet. If the Supremacy was a smaller ship and the Raddus jumped into it, only the Supremacy would have been destroyed.
     
  7. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Master star 3

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    We see it get destroyed. It’s the last ship to go down before the Raddus.
     
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  8. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    Was Admiral Holdo always planning to kamikaze into the Supremacy? It didn't initially seem like it. So if not, where was she planning to go?

    And why was it necessary for someone to pilot the Raddus for the escape pods to all leave? Why did Leia initially say no but then let her stay behind?
     
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  9. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    She was going to lure the FO away past Crait. Someone needed to remain onboard to fly the ship.


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  10. Tanjint

    Tanjint Jedi Knight star 2

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    I suspect it was more so the imperials wouldn't catch on to the plan; I'm sure a droid could have flown the ship but scanners would have tipped off the Order to their being no organic life-forms on it, thus hinting that something is up...and/or so that FO wouldn't focus full attention on the transports.

    -T
     
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  11. MarcJordan

    MarcJordan Force Ghost star 4

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    Holdo had also "taken over" Leia's role as General who is also head of the Raddus (last of the Resistance ) while she was recovering. We see that the last left in the other ships that went down were the ship Captains. Holdo took the initiative boldly knowing that the spiritual leader for the Resistance is Leia. So Holdo makes the call telling Leia it was taught to her and Leia must carry the flag so to speak for the future. I think this whole martyrdom situation was brilliantly carried out.

    MJ
     
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  12. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Yeah, and also let’s not forget that had Carrie not passed away, Leia would have played a pivotal role in 9


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  13. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    The way Leia would have appeared in X will always be a great “what if” of cinema.
    In TFA it showed that Carrie had barely acted for years, I think.
    In TLJ she was the Leia I never dreamed we would get.
    The work that she and Mark put in to get back to the top of their game for the sequel trilogy is immense
     
  14. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    I think the deleted Leia scene in TFA show some great Carrie stuff. It's not helped that her chat with Han about Ben is one of the most functional scenes in the saga since Luke and Leia on Ender. There's not much more Ford or Fisher can do with that scene.
     
  15. vypernight

    vypernight Jedi Master star 3

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    -The bombers at the beginning of the film arm their bombs before they drop them or do they arm as they're dropped? Paige goes through a lot of trouble to drop the bombs when her ship ends up crashing into the FO ship anyway. If the bombs were already armed, she could've just waited until her bomber crashed.
    -What was the point of the Resistance ships on Crait? I know they were junk ships, but when they charged the walkers, none of them even fired a shot.
    -Who told the kids at the end about Luke facing the FO? The Resistance fled, and I know the FO has allies on Canto, but I can't see them talking about what happened the way it did. If anything, I figure they'd say, "Luke skywalker showed up, but we shot him and Kylo finished him off."
    -So was Kylo using the story that Rey killed Snoke and the guards, and beat him up as well? And he's also claiming to be the new Leader?
     
  16. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    1. They were armed with the control device, which also controlled their release. I don't believe Paige's bomber crashes into the Dreadnaught, but is consumed in the explosion following the release of the bombs.
    2. They wanted to destroy the battering cannon and the speeders were pretty much their only means to do so. You're right, I don't think any of them fired, and that's because they couldn't get close enough.
    3. A time jump is assumed here, as we're led to believe that having escaped the Resistance has since spread the story and it has travelled far and wide enough for these kids to have heard it. Luke having become the spark across the galaxy.
    4. Yes, Kylo tells Hux that it was Rey. As for the succession, he has the power over Hux and that's the way it rolls - long live the king etc.
     
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  17. episodenone

    episodenone Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am not so sure the dice were not real -- we already saw evidence that this Force vision thing was more than just "vision" with the droplets of water.
    She may have dropped them for the same reasons people have said here - but I kinda think they were real to be honest.

    Why Luke doesn't go after Snoke - I do happen to disagree with most of the responses. Leia, Han, and possibly others all seem to actually KNOW Snoke - Luke too I'd have to bet.
    I don't think we have the foggiest idea what the history of Snoke and his interactions with the Big 3 are at this point. It would seem that Snoke must have had some face time with these characters at some point - it just does. Why doesn't Luke deal with a Dark Side Threat like Snoke previously - we really have to wait and see.
    Although Yoda in ESB and RotJ and from what we know of the Jedi and Luke's actions on the DS2 all seem to point to non-aggression -- but with the changes to who/what the Jedi really are - again, wait and see is only truth. Everything else is a guess until then.
     
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  18. Ginkasa

    Ginkasa Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Luke appearing on Crait is not the same as the Force connection between Kylo Ren and Rey. Also, the main reason why people recognize the dice aren't real is because they disappear when Kylo is handling them.
     
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  19. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Chosen One star 5

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    I may have missed this, but is Kylo wearing any type of headset inside his TIE Silencer?
     
  20. Starkiller17

    Starkiller17 Jedi Master star 2

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    I don't think so. At least I didn't notice one in my two viewings.
     
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  21. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    When Rose and Finn break out of the jail cell area on the fathier, they are headed back to the beach and to their shuttle...without a codebreaker to get them onto Snoke's ship. Had they given up on the plan at that point and were just attempting to get off of Cantonica?

    Also, a little earlier, when they reject DJ's offer, he walks away saying something like "catoga"...does anyone know the actual word he says, or what it means?
     
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  22. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    In the Ben Swolo scene, Kylo says that he "didn't" hate his father. Is this clarification, then, that Han Solo was not a bad father (as we may have originally thought), did nothing wrong, and Ben Solo just became influenced by the dark side and became a terribly conflicted person? ("I am being torn apart...I want to be free of this pain.")
     
  23. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    Also in the Ben Solo scene, Kylo says "Looking for them everywhere...and Han Solo...and (one) Skywalker."

    I thought that was supposed to be "Luke Skywalker." But upon repeated viewings, either the word "Luke" wasn't voiced well, or he really does say "one Skywalker." I'm interested to hear if anyone else picked up on this.
     
  24. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    I think he just says “now Skywalker”.


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  25. MrElculver2424

    MrElculver2424 Jedi Master star 4

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    Ah, that's it. Sometimes I have trouble hearing certain words, for some reason...haha
     
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