ST John Boyega (Finn) in the ST

You have to give it to Rian though, thats some amazing writing.

He made Kylo heroic by killing Snoke and saving Rey , made him THE big bad , and still got sympathy for his character , all in one movie.

If only he wrote rest of the characters the same way with such dedication.

 

agree. me and a lot of people have been quick to say johnson just doesn’t care about this character and i don’t think that’s quite true. Boyega said in an interview that finn would need some help getting mobile again and that he and kylo went on a parallel journey. so he wrote a better arc but when it was a choice between finn and kylo’s or rey’s scenes on the chopping block, well we know. i think we have the bare bones of finn’s arc

 

This is my main issue with the film. TLJ is a great vehicle for Adam Driver to show off his amazing talent but all the other actors/characters around him got the short shrift.

 

Well we know parts of Finn's story got cut, especially onboard the Supremacy.

We know Rey's third lesson from Luke got cut.

Did any known Kylo scenes get cut?

 

I dont know man may be.

They are keeping kylo's story a secret before people actually get to see it in theatres.

I mean we pretty much knew what Finn, Poe, Rose, Rey were upto through the marketing spoilers.

I doubt we will see deleted scenes regarding Kylo.

 

I think that's true; as a writer Rian should know context is key; a lot of context was missing for Finn, and I think other scenes could have been cut, the your momma joke (most of the jokes), the milking, shirtless Kylo, the freeing of creatures, probably even more if I ever force myself to watch a second time.

At the end of the day the character that suffered the most is Finn, I can't in good conscious say Rian cares about Finn when half the scenes cut not only benefited Finn but gave him character development, I can't in good concious say Rian cares about Finn when there were scenes that felt menial in comparison to those cut Finn scenes. I can't in good conscious say Rian cares about Finn when he hardly talked about the character during interviews which along with the lack of Finn in the marketing had the Finn fans from tumblr going after Rian and Star Wars. And last, I can't in good concious say Rian cares about Finn when Rian won't shut up about TLJ, he's either defending, explaining, or backtracking the things he did in his movie but he can't seemingly fix his mouth to defend or explain the universally disliked Canto Bight scenes and how it benefits Finn and Rose, the closet we get of him mentioning those scenes is when talks about the overall theme of the movie which was "failure".

It's the little things that count and Rian has done very little to show he cares about Finn, yes he had ideas for Finn and even filmed the scenes but he cut them and in an interview somewhere when asked about a director's cut, he said everything in the movie is the director's cut ...so all those scenes he had to cut not being in the movie doesn't matter to him is what he's essentially saying b/c a director's cut is an edited version of a film that represents the director's own approved edit.

Even though Rian was joking, sometimes I think maybe Finn would have benefited being in a coma throughout this movie, I mean it's not the like the new "trio" spent any time together developing their relationship, and Finn's storyline is a rehash of TFA so it's not like he had character development in this movie.

*shrugs*

 

Yeah that was one of the dumbest parts of the film. I also love the part about Rose nearly getting them both killed (also he had to carry her comatose butt across miles of open ground despite being exhausted himself and hopefully not get shot) with her little stunt, and the she gets to make the self-righteous speak, yeah no movie no.

And also yes, BB-8 truly is the most competent hero of them all. HE should be the new leader, he'd actually get things done.

 

The saddest thing here : unlike the leaking bacta-suit or the chips machine-gun, you can't forget it because it is key to the plot.

Without that event, no DJ, no betrayal and no Battle of Crait ! It is factually correct to say :
"Luke Skywalker died because of a parking infraction".

I just can't find the words to express how much this infuriates me.

It wasn't a rehash, it was a parody :
_TFA was about how his choice to stay and fight allowed the destruction of SKB.
_TLJ was about how his choice to stay and fight got everybody killed ... just because of a parking infraction [insert random rant, insult or scream here].

 

You said "here" instead of "hear"

 

hear! hear!

 

Hmm...

 

One of the biggest disappointments of TLJ is Finn's nonexistent character arc. In TFA he goes from wanting to run away to wanting to stay and fight, and then in TLJ he literally treads the same exact territory again...at first wanting to run away and then wanting to stay and fight. There was zero character development whatsoever. Even the DJ sequence where Finn learned that it's all a machine served zero purpose, since Finn tosses it aside and returns to helping the Resistance fight.

The scene where he was going to sacrifice himself to save the Resistance by flying into the cannon was good (even though it makes no sense that none of the AT-M6s shot him while he was the only speeder left). Would've been a good end to his character despite the lack of development. But that entire moment was ruined by Rose somehow defying all logic and getting far enough in front of Finn to make a 90 degree turn and crash into him. How did she know she wouldn't kill them both? It made zero sense on Rose's part...one of the stupidest decisions in all of Star Wars. Her line of "Not by fighting what we hate, by saving what we love" makes zero sense. Doesn't she understand what's going on here? Her sister died saving the Resistance. Finn was going to do the same thing. Finn WAS going to save what they love. Rose has the intelligence of a 2 year old, apparently. Not to forget that she then kisses Finn as the door to the base is blown open in the background. What pathetic nonsense for such a promising character coming out of TFA to sink down to.

 

This isn't constructive criticism. If you want to vent like this, take it to the Sanctuary thread.

 

The scene was completely pointless since we never even hear Finn's stance on the subject. They never follow up on that scene. Why the hell was it in the movie?

 

I understand the scene in terms of RJ describing this movie as “blurring the lines between good and evil” before it’s release. That DJ scene is the only scene in the entire movie that really attempts to do that for me. But I definitely don’t get the point of it specifically to Finn’s arc. Finn’s reaction was essentially mine - that’s pretty academic at this point. In other words, it’s irrelevant to what was happening.

 

"Why The Canto Bight Scene Didn’t Work and What to Do With Finn"
https://blackgirlnerds.com/canto-bight-scene-didnt-work-finn/

 

Deleted scene with Finn and Phasma. We were robbed.

 

That's not a robbery, that's more like Fort Knox plundering.
I mean, RJ, seriously ?

 

There's a rule that we can't use profanity, correct?

For the record, I'm cursing up a storm right now. My coworkers are confused.

That would have been such a classic SW moment.

 

Wow. They cut Finn's showdown with Phasma but still found room for a poorly lit, space-horse chase through corn fields.

 

And Luke milking an ugly alien seems to be more important